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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not asking you to prove a negative. YOU made a positive assertion there was no seperation between German People and Nazi's



    American citizen perhaps, but he was German none the less. You didn't specify German CITIZENS.
    Now, if you want to specifiy German CITIZENS rather than simply german people...be my guest. [/quote]

    I think you're smart enough to know what I meant, without me specifying.

    If you do that...then it goes back to the issue of you equating that to this issue where you're condemning all muslims as "terrorists" despite them not being citizens of Egypt.
    Where did I condemn all Muslims?



    Lack of significant concern for civilian causalities does not equate to there being no seperation between German people and Nazi's, simply an indiciation of acceptable causalties of war.[/b] If there was truly no seperation between German People and Nazi's then german's the world over would have been arrested and/or killed en masse.



    No distinction made specifically in BOMBING CAMPAIGNS while IN GEMRANY is significantly different than no seperation between nazi's and german people.

    You're speaking of a specific military scenario, in terms of bombing campaigns, in a specific location, germany. That is hardly an indication of no seperation between nazi's and german people.

    Again, if you want to change or clarify this debate as being towards "German Citizens" be my guest...I'll just blow your hate filled bigoted statement out of the water based on your new statement instead of the old.
    It proves that the Allies saw no difference between the German people and the Nazis. Those population centers were intentionally targetted and those civilian casualties were the goal, not collateral damage.
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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think you're smart enough to know what I meant, without me specifying.
    It could go either way, but since you were using it to excuse your claim that muslims...not just egyptian muslims...are terrorists then it appeared your were speaking about German people not German Citizens. Otherwise the analogy doesn't work.

    Where did I condemn all Muslims?
    You stated this kills the argument that "muslims aren't terrorists". If the argument that muslims aren't terrorists is "killed" that means they're terrorists.

    It proves that the Allies saw no difference between the German people and the Nazis. Those population centers were intentionally targetted and those civilian casualties were the goal, not collateral damage.
    It doesn't prove that one ounce. The explanation that the german population was viewed as expendable collateral damage or worthwhile targets for militaristic purposes is just as possible based on your evidence as the explanation that every citizen was viewed as a Nazi with no seperation. And that's even buying into your sudden switch, which destroys your attempted defense of your statement, to it being "citizens" rather than simply german people.

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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It could go either way, but since you were using it to excuse your claim that muslims...not just egyptian muslims...are terrorists then it appeared your were speaking about German people not German Citizens. Otherwise the analogy doesn't work.



    You stated this kills the argument that "muslims aren't terrorists". If the argument that muslims aren't terrorists is "killed" that means they're terrorists.



    It doesn't prove that one ounce. The explanation that the german population was viewed as expendable collateral damage or worthwhile targets for militaristic purposes is just as possible based on your evidence as the explanation that every citizen was viewed as a Nazi with no seperation. And that's even buying into your sudden switch, which destroys your attempted defense of your statement, to it being "citizens" rather than simply german people.
    Did you even read what I wrote? I'm thinking that you didn't, because I didn't say any of that
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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you even read what I wrote? I'm thinking that you didn't, because I didn't say any of that
    Let's see. I stated you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You stated this kills the argument that "muslims aren't terrorists". If the argument that muslims aren't terrorists is "killed" that means they're terrorists.
    And let's look at your comments in this thread

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It kills the argument that Muslims aren't terrorists
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You concluded all that about Muslims (a group encompassing a billion people the world over) from an election in Egypt?
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    Sure. All the evidence points in that direction.

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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Cold War. The U.S. could ill-afford to allow the USSR and Soviet proxies free rein in its hemisphere. If opposing Soviet meddling meant interference, that was a lesser problem when compared to the significant U.S. interests at stake. During the Cold War, there were numerous cases where commitment to the principle of democracy conflicted with imperatives driven by national interests. The U.S. gave priority to its interests as any rational sovereign would do. It had to choose practical reality over idealistic hopes. In the post-Cold War world, such conflicts can still arise, though they arguably have not been as numerous as they were during the Cold War. Today, for instance, were a civil war to erupt in El Salvador, there would be no compelling case for the U.S. to intervene, as the element of Soviet-Cuban support for one of the factions in such a conflict would be absent.
    Bullcrap! Iran Contra? Noriega? Zelaya? Dead Nuns? Cocaine? Installing dictators in every Latin American Nation to protect what. The coke routes? The weapons dealers? I don't remember much Cold War after Gorbachev. It is the US Corporate interests, commonly known worldwide as "banana republics" that drove policy, not any Cold War ideology. It is still driving the policy.

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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's see. I stated you said:



    And let's look at your comments in this thread
    Bravo! Braaaaaaaa-vo! Great job taking my comments totally out of context.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just goes to show that Arabs support the Islamists more than some folks want to admit.

    It kills the argument that Muslims aren't terrorists and supports the argument that most Muslims support anti-western terrorism.
    I thought you were bigger than that.
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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Was there any seperation of the Nazis and the German people? No, there wasn't.

    Same scenario here. Political correctness isn't going to change that reality.
    It only took you 2 pages to Godwin the thread. Good job. You're getting better at red herrings and non sequiturs.
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    Re: Brotherhood's Morsi Claims Victory in Egypt Election

    Just over a year ago, Egypt held elections that resulted in a new government. Today, in what might be the first strong indication that Egypt's military is retaining a crucial role as a brake against what it perceives as radicalization or political stalemate, Egypt's military issued an ultimatum to the Mursi government with respect to the public's demands. Reuters reported:

    Egypt's powerful armed forces issued a virtual ultimatum to Islamist President Mohamed Mursi on Monday, calling on the nation's feuding politicians to agree on an inclusive roadmap for the country's future within 48 hours.

    A dramatic military statement broadcast on state television declared the nation was in danger after millions of Egyptians took to the streets on Sunday to demand that Mursi quit and the headquarters of the ruling Muslim Brotherhood were ransacked.


    Egypt army gives Mursi 48 hours to share power | Reuters

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