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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Last in, first out is a policy at most workplaces regardless of unions. Your post is just another case of people blaming unions for something that exists regardless of them. I'm also amazed at how you managed to blame budget cuts, firings and seemingly a whole host of other things on teachers and unions completely ignoring all of the other factors that go into situations like this. Brilliant.
    That is not the least bit true. At most non-union places of employment performance is the main driver in determining who may have to be laid off. Seniority will typically only come into play when all other things are equal. i.e. two people have the same performance, the individual with most seniority will stay.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think we've been talking about this elsewhere, and all the teachers who were underperforming were already discharged. It wasn't like this teacher was the only one let go.

    That is simply false. The only underperforming teachers who were fired are those with little to no seniority, not those with a lot of seniority. So all underperforming teachers were not fired before they fired the teacher of the year.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That is not the least bit true. At most non-union places of employment performance is the main driver in determining who may have to be laid off. Seniority will typically only come into play when all other things are equal. i.e. two people have the same performance, the individual with most seniority will stay.
    I might have overstated by saying "most," but seniority based layoffs are quite common in non-union offices in both the public and private sector. LIFO is a legally solid policy that requires little to no explanation which makes it pretty ideal. LIFO is pretty damn common.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I wish more schools would cut athletics before academics.
    Make the athletic programs pay for themselves, get rid of the layers of bureaucracy, and there would still be plenty of money to run the classrooms without laying off teachers and increasing class sizes.

    Hold students, parents, and teachers accountable for progress, and a lot more learning would take place.

    Get rid of the test driven curriculum, substitute a student centered curriculum, and a lot fewer students would be failing.

    Make the federal government either put an end to illegal immigration, or pay for the education of children of illegals who have no education and don't speak English, and we'd lift a huge burden off of the schools, particularly the rural schools.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I might have overstated by saying "most," but seniority based layoffs are quite common in non-union offices in both the public and private sector. LIFO is a legally solid policy that requires little to no explanation which makes it pretty ideal. LIFO is pretty damn common.
    Do you have any data reflecting this? At every non-union job I have had, layoffs were determined by business need first. Then within each business unit performance was first followed by time of service.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Right.. because it's a we're broke thing.
    No, it is an our priorities are ****ed thing.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Surely there was another teacher that didn't preform as well as her that could have been laid off instead.
    I'm certain there was, but that's not how unions work. It isn't about ability or merit with them, it's about seniority... And people wonder why our public school system is a failure.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    California = #1 in educational spending.

    Near last in test results.

    On a per student basis, the California school system spent roughly $8,323 for each student. Nearly $5,000 less than that of Massachusetts. However, i would not make the case that per capita expenditures are the be-all end-all solution to our education deficiency.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    How do you objectively determine which teachers are performing well and should be kept, and which are mediocre and should be the first let go?
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How do you objectively determine which teachers are performing well and should be kept, and which are mediocre and should be the first let go?
    That would be the question.

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