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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Oh, I agree that the Ryan plan is simply kick the can down the road and hope for a miracle, just like Obama's plan. The Ryan plan reduces the federal deficit from 40% to 35%, which is still unsustainable, but the Obama tax increase leave the federal deficit at 38% which is clearly unsustainable. So we get a choice of being like Greece in either 8 years or 10 years.[/B] Not a pretty financial picture, either way.
    I see this faulty comparison far too often, our economic situation is simply not comparable to Greece, neither is the nature of our impact on Global finance. Simply put, the world can't afford not to purchase both our products and our debt at this stage.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental. I did say union, but in this case, it is ALSO state law personnel policy. A snipette from the OP source follows:

    "The Sacramento City Unified School District has suffered approximately $143 million in budget cuts in recent years. School spokesperson Gabe Ross told News 10 that who gets laid off is mandated by state law and is based on seniority, not performance."

    Now, is it clear to you, that seniority and NOT performance is the deal?
    If laying people off by seniority leads to a teacher of over 10 years being fired, then the problem is the budget cut or the number of teachers they have, not seniority based firing.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

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    I see this faulty comparison far too often, our economic situation is simply not comparable to Greece, neither is the nature of our impact on Global finance. Simply put, the world can't afford not to purchase both our products and our debt at this stage.
    So, the US will be bailed out because it is too big to fail? Nice.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    And? Why was she selected then? Union rules are first in, first out. So likely, the remaining teachers have over 10 years teaching time. Perfect example of why that concept is absolutely destructive. You fire the teacher of the year (assuming the criteria here means she really is a great teacher) for others who didn't make the cut. Based on her performance, she SHOULD be the most protected for these layoffs. In addition, why didn't the teachers and their union offer pay and benefits concessions to avoid these layoffs? Isn't a slight reduction of pay and bennies better than laying off in mass? Well, guess not for the teachers who have seniority.

    Hmmm...maybe if they scrap that stupid high speed train that NO ONE will ride, they can save these teachers jobs. The CA budget is an overflow of waste and cut outs for the various left leaning special interest groups or their causes. The worst their fiscal house gets, the more the "obligation" to these interest groups/causes begin to conflict. This is a perfect example.
    Last in, first out is a policy at most workplaces regardless of unions. Your post is just another case of people blaming unions for something that exists regardless of them. I'm also amazed at how you managed to blame budget cuts, firings and seemingly a whole host of other things on teachers and unions completely ignoring all of the other factors that go into situations like this. Brilliant.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Face it: Neither party has a workable plan to balance the budget and get us back on track economically. The only plan either of them has is to blame the other party for the deficit, for unemployment, for every other ill that besets us. Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a plan to do more than shift the blame.
    Not true, unless you ignore, as the GOP is want to do, Ron Paul. He was the ONLY candidate in 2012 to have a REAL plan to cut the federal deficit. Cutting the federal gov't POWER and SPENDING back to the limitted federal gov't, actually defined by OUR constitution, is not popular, but IS necessary. Take education as a prime example; education is NOT a federal power, yet the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal dept. is the DOEd. The "farm" bill is 80% SNAP (food stamps) yet we do not DARE call it the "welfare" bill, as that would be politcally very unpopular. What, in the constitution, allows the federal gov't to give away food? Food, shelter and clothing are definitely needs, but they ARE NOT rights, we are expected to WORK and to provide them for ourselves. Charity is when I choose to help my neighbor in need, tyranny is when the gov't takes part of my pay, by force, and gives it to your neighbor in need. We need to get back to the basics, not to add ever more "nice" things, that we refuse to demand the taxation to actually pay for.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not true, unless you ignore, as the GOP is want to do, Ron Paul. He was the ONLY candidate in 2012 to have a REAL plan to cut the federal deficit. Cutting the federal gov't POWER and SPENDING back to the limitted federal gov't, actually defined by OUR constitution, is not popular, but IS necessary. Take education as a prime example; education is NOT a federal power, yet the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal dept. is the DOEd. The "farm" bill is 80% SNAP (food stamps) yet we do not DARE call it the "welfare" bill, as that would be politcally very unpopular. What, in the constitution, allows the federal gov't to give away food? Food, shelter and clothing are definitely needs, but they ARE NOT rights, we are expected to WORK and to provide them for ourselves. Charity is when I choose to help my neighbor in need, tyranny is when the gov't takes part of my pay, by force, and gives it to your neighbor in need. We need to get back to the basics, not to add ever more "nice" things, that we refuse to demand the taxation to actually pay for.
    You are correct that the GOP wants to ignore Ron Paul and his agenda. It is likely that they will succeed in doing so, too, since there is exactly zero chance that he will be elected.

    There is little difference between the mainstream Democrats and Republicans. There is a vast gulf between either of them and the philosophy of Ron Paul.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If laying people off by seniority leads to a teacher of over 10 years being fired, then the problem is the budget cut or the number of teachers they have, not seniority based firing.
    So, in your mind it is WISER to keep fewer, but more senior and higher paid teachers, than more lower paid teachers by using performance, rather than seniority as a basis to make the cuts? I see you now attempt to move the argument away from WHAT was done to WHY it was done, but that is a BS tactic at best. Perhaps WHY is that even if though the number of teachers (per taxpayer) remained constant that the COST of those teachers went up, faster than the tax base to support them did.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    I wish more schools would cut athletics before academics.


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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Oh, I agree that the U.S. is FAR to big too bail, but that is MORE reason for us to get our financial act together, not LESS.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So, in your mind it is WISER to keep fewer, but more senior and higher paid teachers, than more lower paid teachers by using performance, rather than seniority as a basis to make the cuts?
    No, that's not my argument. My argument is that either the budget cuts are ridiculous or they have too few teachers working if seniority based cutting leads to an over 10 year veteran being cut.

    I see you now attempt to move the argument away from WHAT was done to WHY it was done, but that is a BS tactic at best. Perhaps WHY is that even if though the number of teachers (per taxpayer) remained constant that the COST of those teachers went up, faster than the tax base to support them did.
    I'm not moving the argument anywhere. You think the problem is seniority. I don't.

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