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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The recession ended over 3 years ago, that doesn't mean that state and local governments aren't experiencing budget constraints. You seem to be ignoring the technical definition of Recession and substituting your own.
    Or he was being sarcastic.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    When teachers are laid off by seniority, and they get down to one who has been on the job for ten years, one must wonder whether there are enough teachers left to do the job.

    I'm not sure whether I'd rather be the one laid off who has to find another job, or the one left behind who has to take up the slack while being mandated to get every child, regardless of effort, ability or learning handicap, to pass a difficult test.

    I retired from teaching eight years ago now. Were I a young, fresh graduate ready to start a career, it would not be in education, not in today's climate. Our public education program is in serious trouble.

    And, we can't have a democracy without an educated populace.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The recession ended over 3 years ago, that doesn't mean that state and local governments aren't experiencing budget constraints. You seem to be ignoring the technical definition of Recession and substituting your own.
    No, the difference is that state/local gov't must balance their budgets, while the federal gov't is free to borrow as much as they allow themselves too. Obama chooses to play Santa Claus, on the public credit card, but the bill is still due. Obama points at Romney and calls him the Grinch, but Obama knows that the debt must be paid EVENTUALLY, he just wants the GOP to be in charge when the paying (tax increases/spending cuts) must be done. ;-)
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you know the biggest reason for state budgets being so lean? The recession caused by deregulation. So yeah, it is very sad that we put Wall Street investors before the education needs in this country.
    Is this a joke or have you run out of lame Obama excuses so all you could remember is blame wall street. I think you need to write to dem HQ in Chicago and get some more lines before posting!

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Or he was being sarcastic.
    Me, sarcastic? Me??

    Well, maybe.

    But only when someone makes an absurd statement about the recession being over. It wasn't over four years ago, not three years ago, and not now. Unemployment is up, higher than the official figures. Family income is down. Every level of government is broke. Half of the recent college graduates are either out of work, or still working low level jobs that don't require any college training. That's half of our most precious resources unutilized.

    This nation is in deep doo doo, and our neighbors across the pond in Europe aren't doing any better. In a global economy such as we have currently, you have to be really adept at wishful thinking to say that the recession is over.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, the difference is that state/local gov't must balance their budgets, while the federal gov't is free to borrow as much as they allow themselves too.

    Obama chooses to play Santa Claus, on the public credit card, but the bill is still due. Obama points at Romney and calls him the Grinch, but Obama knows that the debt must be paid EVENTUALLY, he just wants the GOP to be in charge when the paying (tax increases/spending cuts) must be done. ;-)
    I already acknowledged the existence of budget shortfalls on the local level.

    Not much merit to this statement, If you haven't noticed Obama has been attempting to raise taxes for some time now, not to mention the fact that the Ryan budget isn't exactly draconian in nature. Neither of the two candidates economic policies will come close to balancing the budget or paying off the debt in the immediate future.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Me, sarcastic? Me??

    Well, maybe.

    But only when someone makes an absurd statement about the recession being over. It wasn't over four years ago, not three years ago, and not now. Unemployment is up, higher than the official figures. Family income is down. Every level of government is broke. Half of the recent college graduates are either out of work, or still working low level jobs that don't require any college training. That's half of our most precious resources unutilized.

    This nation is in deep doo doo, and our neighbors across the pond in Europe aren't doing any better. In a global economy such as we have currently, you have to be really adept at wishful thinking to say that the recession is over.
    Hardly an absurd statement. You'd be accurate in saying the economy is weak or in "deep doo doo", you'd be inaccurate in saying we're in a recession.

    Recession Definition | Investopedia

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I already acknowledged the existence of budget shortfalls on the local level.

    Not much merit to this statement, If you haven't noticed Obama has been attempting to raise taxes for some time now, not to mention the fact that the Ryan budget isn't exactly draconian in nature. Neither of the two candidates economic policies will come close to balancing the budget or paying off the debt in the immediate future.
    Oh, I agree that the Ryan plan is simply kick the can down the road and hope for a miracle, just like Obama's plan. The Ryan plan reduces the federal deficit from 40% to 35%, which is still unsustainable, but the Obama proposed tax increases leave the federal deficit at 38% which is clearly unsustainable. So we get a choice of being like Greece in either 8 years or 10 years. Not a pretty financial picture, either way.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Hardly an absurd statement. You'd be accurate in saying the economy is weak or in "deep doo doo", you'd be inaccurate in saying we're in a recession.

    Recession Definition | Investopedia
    From your link:

    Definition of 'Recession'

    A significant decline in activity across the economy, lasting longer than a few months. It is visible in industrial production, employment, real income and wholesale-retail trade. The technical indicator of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth as measured by a country's gross domestic product (GDP); although the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) does not necessarily need to see this occur to call a recession.
    I don't need to see it occur to call it a recession either. When intelligent and educated people can't find decent jobs, that's a recession. When every level of government is broke, it's a recession. But, if you don't like the term, perhaps another could be used. Let's see, what word could we use to mean that the country is going downhill fast?

    I know. Let's call it a "bobsled run."
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Oh, I agree that the Ryan plan is simply kick the can down the road and hope for a miracle, just like Obama's plan. The Ryan plan reduces the federal deficit from 40% to 35%, which is still unsustainable, but the Obama proposed tax increases leave the federal deficit at 38% which is clearly unsustainable. So we get a choice of being like Greece in either 8 years or 10 years. Not a pretty financial picture, either way.
    Face it: Neither party has a workable plan to balance the budget and get us back on track economically. The only plan either of them has is to blame the other party for the deficit, for unemployment, for every other ill that besets us. Neither Republicans nor Democrats have a plan to do more than shift the blame.
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