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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are dishonestly including years when Union membership was much higher than it is today. Only 11% of the population belongs to a union today (both public and private). That makes a big difference. When you look at the big donor numbers in 2010 and this year, the GOP are far ahead.
    This may be true, however, incumbency in local elections is much different than national elections. And even if the they are kicked out of office their pro-union policies still exist. Only Wisconsin has done anything to revert some of the changes they have made. All other states have done little to nothing to change the influence public sector unions have had on American politics in the past 30 years. The laws are all still on the books.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to cameras on the classroom. I think that's an excellent way to keep teachers accountable. However, you have to make sure you have administrators who will actually KEEP them accountable.
    I agree. This is also solved by decentralizing public education and having more competition, etc., i.e. anti-union.
    Only way to get good administrators is for them to be both good administrators, and be tested constantly via competition, best practice, good hiring practice and good firing practice (or moving them out of management).

    Hell, half of the short list of legitimate reasons to have unions is to protect them against mis-management, corrupt administration, and politics.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Food View Post
    This may be true, however, incumbency in local elections is much different than national elections. And even if the they are kicked out of office their pro-union policies still exist. Only Wisconsin has done anything to revert some of the changes they have made. All other states have done little to nothing to change the influence public sector unions have had on American politics in the past 30 years. The laws are all still on the books.
    What influence on the public sector today do you find objectionable? Do you have any recognition of the benefits that unions provide to the working class? Without the balance of unions you have a corporatocracy, especially now with the Citizens United corporate venue for unlimited anonymous donations. What in world history leads you to believe a country runs better under a corporatocracy?

    What have we learned from history happens in countries where unions are undermined?
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you have any recognition of the benefits that unions provide to the working class?
    Yes. Irrelevant to persent day teachers unions however.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What influence on the public sector today do you find objectionable?
    Read this thread to find my views on this. They don't need repeating.

    Do you have any recognition of the benefits that unions provide to the working class? Without the balance of unions you have a corporatocracy, especially now with the Citizens United corporate venue for unlimited anonymous donations. What in world history leads you to believe a country runs better under a corporatocracy?
    The notion that public unions advance the working class is false. This just doesn't happen. The reason for it is that public unions tend to have a monopoly on the jobs that they unionize. When was the last time you came across a non-public police officer? There is no such thing. We do have private schools, but if you look at their salaries they tend to be much lower than public school employees. The reason for this is because whether or not higher salaries in the public sector exist the schools only have so much money to spend on salaries. And where you have unions in the private sector the non-unions don't really compete directly, and where they do they are much better off. Have you bought a Chrysler lately? Of course not, because unions have driven the American automotive industry into the ground. Non-union shops have opened up on our soil paying non-union rates and those people earn a fair living and still have jobs. So how has the union helped Chrysler employees? They helped them to a quick road of bankruptcy and a depressed Detroit city with violence, crime, gangs and high unemployment. Also where the Teamsters and local grocery/delivery unions are in effect I can't really afford to shop at their stores. You can point out which grocery stores suck by the paid picket lines outside the stores. Inside you're likely to find high prices for the products. I'm lucky where I live there is competition in that market and the unionized grocery stores are also going out of business. They're doing it to themselves. Food costs and inflation is already going crazy from all these bailouts and government spending to keep unions and welfare programs afloat. I don't need to be paying more for my Oreos to boot.

    What have we learned from history happens in countries where unions are undermined?
    I think you're looking at this the wrong way. In countries where unions have been "undermined" it was because the costs/benefits of the unionization were destroying their industries. While unions artificially inflate salaries in the short term it becomes unsustainable long term. And eventually you end up like the automotive workers, or even like our education sector where we pay twice as much to educate a child and get half the payout in return. If anything what we should learn is that these other countries "undermined" unions because they were forced to. They didn't have the capital Americans have to sustain them as long as we have. Rather than follow down their path we should recognize it and do something about it. We are in a global economy now. We are no longer in the era where unions were capable of thriving. We must be competitive with our global counterparts. In nearly every industry where unions have a threshold that is not the case.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Comfort, are you saying there are no non-union teachers? Police officers? Firefighters?

    If you are, you're factually incorrect.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    The point I've been trying to make and that some seem unable to grasp is that unions are not as pervasive as some think. The following link is from a very anti teacher union site, but it shows that unions don't control every state. I teach in Missouri where under 20% of teachers are in unions.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Yes. Irrelevant to persent day teachers unions however.
    That would be a no answer to my question, thanks!
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Food View Post
    They don't need repeating.
    Based on your other posting I would have to agree.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Based on your other posting I would have to agree.
    Well if you don't agree with something or don't like the answer, don't keep asking it then complain about the answers given. That's just silly.

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