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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I ask because it just kills me that people are finding the most meaningless things to bitch about all the while their congressmen is bending over for any business who wishes to donate to his/her campaign. The biggest problem today is that elected goverments no longer represent the people. Yet here we are bitching about pitly-assed unions and other meaningless things in comparison.
    Businesses likely have far LESS influence over your local politics than teacher's unions. The comparison between the two is a joke. They shouldn't even be brought up in the same conversation. One is irrelevant and insignificant, the other is a key player.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Since I have no idea what it is you're saying with the rest of the post, I'll not attempt to address it.
    If that's the case, then don't expect things to change anytime soon.

    Education is the foundation of culture. What children learn academically affects their thought patterns pragmatically.

    When children don't learn about burden of proof, duty of care, or abuse of process, bullying only gets worse and worse. You will see many more bureaucrats fired haphazardly because of irrational paranoia. Melodramatic power politics will only get worse and worse.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I wouldn't step through the door of the classroom without union protection, and I'll tell you why. It has nothing to do with the administration nor the board.

    All a little tart has to do is point a finger and say, "he touched me", and you're in for the fight of your life. You don't actually have to touch her, you understand, just be accused, and you have a choice:

    Depend on an underpaid and overworked public defender to save your career and your reputation.
    Pay every cent you have for decent representation, if, that is, you've been working long enough to have a savings account at all
    Depend on the union to back you up.

    Don't expect the school district to support you, regardless of the facts of the case.

    Accused = guilty, and you have to prove you're innocent.
    1. Agreed on the destructive nature of untrue sexual assault/sexual harassment charges (I find it interesting that leftists would thank you for posting about a problem that they helped to exacerbate).

    2. Put cameras in the classroom. The notion that the only way to protect our teachers from frivolous charges of sexual assault is to put in place a system that serves to protect horrible teachers including actual child molesters is ludicrous.

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    I wouldn't be opposed to cameras on the classroom. I think that's an excellent way to keep teachers accountable. However, you have to make sure you have administrators who will actually KEEP them accountable.


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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Food View Post
    Teacher's unions are deeply entrenched in our government and politics.

    Let's not be facetious. We all know this to be true.
    Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

    Look at the list of donors to parties. Democrats receive most of their funding from unions. Teacher's unions collectively make the largest donor group of the union subset. And these are national groups, the states typically have their own teacher's unions which are not ranked top 50, but significant nonetheless for their state and in totality at the national level.

    There's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade or making a factual statement. Teacher's unions take pride in their ability to influence elections. It is part of their strategy in the struggle for power. They use government and their political influence to advance power for themselves.

    You are dishonestly including years when Union membership was much higher than it is today. Only 11% of the population belongs to a union today (both public and private). That makes a big difference. When you look at the big donor numbers in 2010 and this year, the GOP are far ahead.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I won't down play education, but pointing to education doesn't excuse us ignoring other problems. Unions have no more voice than business. Union voters have no more voice than non union voters.
    While in principle this is true, in practice it is often not the case. The unions have rigged the system in their favor and they know how to exploit it. I'll explain:

    1. Most school districts have a compulsory public union that teachers must belong to. And if they choose to "opt-out" they still have to pay over 90% of their union dues anyway. This funds the massive union bankroll.

    2. Teacher's unions promote the concept of hiring local teachers who live or come from within the community. This is done on purpose. The reason for it is that teachers vote. And teachers who either live in or grew up in the district likely have friends and family who they attempt to influence to vote.

    3. In almost every school district the education elections and votes are done during the week, at the schools, polls close early, and there is never any other vote other than education issues at the same time. This done by design and is 100% intentional. They would never want the public to vote for the school board the same day they vote for the mayor. This would make it too convenient for the general public to vote, which is what they try to limit. By setting the system up this way there is a much greater percentage of votes from district employees/families/friends to non-affiliated general public voters. These elections are often close. They would have a much lesser chance of receiving the result they wanted if they made it convenient for the public to vote, so they hold an election/vote on their own special day.

    4. Private citizens who run for the school board do not have funding. The people who get the most exposure are the people who have been hand selected by the teacher's union to run. These are often retired teachers, principals or politically active people who are sympathetic to the union. They then use their union dues to put signs up around town and advertise the members they want. They also instruct all teachers on how to vote. Almost all of them will vote rank in file. The few general public voters who do show up to vote often show up only for the up/down vote on the budget. They don't know anything about the people running for the school board, but are more likely to vote for the people whose names are familiar. This gets union cronies elected to the school board. They don't need 100% of the seats, just a majority. This gives them the power to vote the way the want and nominate the board President.

    5. School boards hire superintendents which has a major impact on negotiations and their influence over the district.

    6. Teacher's unions then collectively bargain against/with a school board they elected and tax payers suffer.

    Many school districts in America are in this cycle right now. What we're seeing is the public may not understand the strategy the union is using, but they know they are being screwed, they just can't put their finger on how. They are beginning to vote in their own members to the school board kicking out the union cronies. And in many places in America the new school board is downright hostile towards the unions. If you look at places where property taxes have gone up the most over the past decade you'll find where this pattern is in greater effect. This creates an us vs them scenario between the public and their public schools/teachers/officials.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to cameras on the classroom. I think that's an excellent way to keep teachers accountable. However, you have to make sure you have administrators who will actually KEEP them accountable.
    Whenever the intercom system is changed out teachers around here teachers flip a brick if there is a private listen filter enabled. Old systems would play an audible tone before listening in the classroom to open communication. The region I am in has old buildings and the systems in this part of the state have been getting changed out frequently. The lack of a "tone" before listening in has become a pain point with the union and the local administrations. I can't imagine how they'd react to cameras. Some are paranoid that they're putting cameras in the new clocks that come with the intercom systems because they are digital and tinted whereas the old clocks were analog. In my area I think your opinion would be among the minority among teachers.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to cameras on the classroom. I think that's an excellent way to keep teachers accountable. However, you have to make sure you have administrators who will actually KEEP them accountable.
    First, you have to have administrators who know what is supposed to be going on in the classroom.

    But, yes, cameras would be a good idea.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    I don't see much there that is true of private institutions as well. Nor do i think it gives them greater voice. teacher who teach where there is a union involved benefit from that union. Where it is not mandatory, those who don't pay dues get to benefit without paying for the benefit. Not sure that's fair either. Seems to me if there is a union, everyone should pay for the representation.

    Benefits, policy, all largely coming from the state, are negotiated by people outside that system. Governors and their representatives are not hired by schools or superintendents. And from what I've seen of school boards, I'm not convinced of you union claim,so I'd like to see some data on school boards.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    First, you have to have administrators who know what is supposed to be going on in the classroom.

    But, yes, cameras would be a good idea.
    I wouldn't oppose them, and have an open policy for may classes right now.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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