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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    I've been teaching for nearly 20 years and the majority of teachers I've met or worked with work very hard. Yes, I've known some who should be in a different job, but they are the minority. Most teachers are there much longer than the adminstrators.

    Yes, sometimes teachers don't want to add to their work load without being paid for it. I don't think that makes them unusual or unreasonable. Two years ago this state cut a program that paid teachers for doing extra work. This program paid for things the teacher did beyond their job description. The first time the legislatiure tried to cut it at the end of the school year. This would have denied payment to the teachers after they had done the work. We avoided that but they cut it for the next school year. This meant a pay cut of up to $5,000. Now I do know that some teachers have stopped doing some of the things funded by this program, but most of the work is still being done. Expecting to paid for the work you do doesn't make one a bad teacher.

    Finally, for all the anti-union out there. Last in first out is common in most schools regardless of the union. I've said this so many times but people don't seem to believe it. Not all teachers are in a union.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children."

    - Albert Shanker, President, American Federation of Teachers
    I've seen this before and I know it's been posted to paint an ugly picture of the union. However, who is a union supposed to represent? Does the auto workers unions represent the people buying the cars? The AFT and NEA and all unions are supposed to represent and protect their members. Now hopefully teachers want what is best for their students and I think that most do. I've never been a member of a union and I don't agree with all that they do but I do see the need for teachers to have protection and representation.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I've seen this before and I know it's been posted to paint an ugly picture of the union. However, who is a union supposed to represent? Does the auto workers unions represent the people buying the cars? The AFT and NEA and all unions are supposed to represent and protect their members. Now hopefully teachers want what is best for their students and I think that most do. I've never been a member of a union and I don't agree with all that they do but I do see the need for teachers to have protection and representation.
    They already have protection. They have for years. They already have representation, just all the rest of us do.

    If they wanted what was best for the children, they wouldn't strike.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Its not too tough to see California's problems. They spend too much. When you look at who gets taxed for what services that is also very telling. When 60% of your state budget is built on 4% of your population you cant be shocked when businesses and the wealthy citizens decide to say saionara, hasta la vista, adios, adieu, c-ya.

    Welfare, Health Care, and Education account for 53% of the states budget. Pensions account for another 7% (yet another example of the problem with promising pensions based on future budgets and not "paying as you go"). Cant blame this on governor Moonbeam...cant blame it on Ahnuld...cant blame it even on Davis. Californians are addicted to social services and spending. You cant be shocked that there are budget cuts and reductions in education spending when the average citizen in California is under-taxed and refuses to pay for said services.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground
    Keep in mind the baby boomers are on the cusp of retirement. There will be a hole to fill in the near future.
    Baby boomers are retiring in all professions though, not just teaching. It still wouldn't explain the massively disproportionate amount of college grads who are choosing teaching.

    Holes are being filled up in finance/business, law, medicine, engineering, mathematics, etc. Unfortunately, the people looking to fill those holes are few and far between. Well, maybe not law, but the rest of them for sure.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why is it that the students have no stake? Could it be the misguided practice of moving problem kids along through the grade system regardless of whether or not they have mastered the skill supposedly taught?

    You teachers helped create this monster, then want to sit back and not take ANY responsibility at all, but rather blame parents, blame even the minor student, but when it comes to the teachers responsibility I guess the answer is like the old sit com, Chico and the man, 'It's not my job, man!'

    Well it damned well IS your job, and you shirk your duties, and bitch and moan that $50K isn't enough money, and 10 weeks in the summer, with every conceivable holiday, along with at least 2 teacher 'in service' days per month, and to work at 7, GONE at 3 sharp is too much to ask in teaching the kids, and it's their fault?

    What a joke.

    People are fed the hell up with you lib public sector, pampered crybabies, and they aren't going to take much more of it I tell ya.

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    In my experience, when teachers suggest that a student be retained, it is the parent that steps in and stops it. I've know many children who have been reatained, though if you do the research you find that retention is not as beneficial as many, including teachers, believe. In high school, students self-retain. Meaning if they don't pass enough classes to earn enough credits then they don't advance to the next grade.

    As for the rest, you have to remember that school's vary so much, especially state to state. I've been teaching for nearly 20 years and have a masters but I don't make $50K. We do get the summer "off" and some of the vacation days the students do. We are required to work some of the days the students have off. We also work many days that we are not required to work. You could go to my school almost any day during the summer or most Saturdays and Sundays during the year and find at least a couple, if not more, teachers working. As for the in-service days, here we don't get 2 a month, more like one every other month. Those are work/training days for the teachers. Unfortunately, not all schools use these days they way they should. The inservice days should be spent on quality training or collaboration time for teachers to go over testing data, etc.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    They already have protection. They have for years. They already have representation, just all the rest of us do.

    If they wanted what was best for the children, they wouldn't strike.
    What protection would that be? I've seen good teachers fired for no good reason. We've seen what happens to teachers now, what would happen without some sort of protection? As long as ignorant people (school boards, congress)are making decisions about what is best and ignoring the advice of the experts (teachers), teachers will need some sort of representation.

    I don't think teachers should strike. That is one of the reasons I've never been in a union and likely won't be. I understand the reasons behind the strike and often agree with the position of the teachers, but a strike hurts the students and they are not the ones making the decisions.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    By this, do you mean onll for public sector jobs? Or for teachers in general? Because otherwise, I would have to disagree.
    Public and private, schools and others. Worked at a hospital, worked the same way. This is fairly common policy across the board. Weak links tend to lose their jobs first, even with unions. But after that, it is usually by seniority.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, in fact, it sucks. Quality teachers are critical.
    If you believe this, and your rhetoric makes that doubtful, instead of demonizing, I would recommend more effort put into recruitment and giving teachers more respect 9the number one reason we lose new teachers).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I've been teaching for nearly 20 years and the majority of teachers I've met or worked with work very hard. Yes, I've known some who should be in a different job, but they are the minority. Most teachers are there much longer than the adminstrators.
    I've read about great schools with teachers who are very dedicated to their students and work their asses off to get things done. I've read about schools where the teachers are HUNGRY for a new professional book, video, presentation... so they can try it in their class. Sadly, I've only read about them. Maybe someday I'll get to work in one of those schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Yes, sometimes teachers don't want to add to their work load without being paid for it. I don't think that makes them unusual or unreasonable. Two years ago this state cut a program that paid teachers for doing extra work. This program paid for things the teacher did beyond their job description. The first time the legislatiure tried to cut it at the end of the school year. This would have denied payment to the teachers after they had done the work. We avoided that but they cut it for the next school year. This meant a pay cut of up to $5,000. Now I do know that some teachers have stopped doing some of the things funded by this program, but most of the work is still being done. Expecting to paid for the work you do doesn't make one a bad teacher.
    I think if it's something that will benefit the children and the district isn't able to pay for you for it, but asks for volunteers to help... those that help are the ones who are great teachers. Those who bitch and complain about their time and money aren't in the career for the right reasons. Now, I agree that teachers should be paid fairly - we have to make a living. But I don't think we have to be paid for every single little friggin' 5 minutes that we're asked to help do something.


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