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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why would unions block a system in which their members would get more pay and less hassle from administration, government, and bureaucrats?
    gosh dittohead, what a good question. Why would they?

    I have a specialized degree, so I make more than my coworkers who have been teaching just as long as I have. I work my ass off all year long taking on extra committee jobs, working weekends, paying for many materials from my own pocket, etc. Now, I believe I'm paid well for what I do. I don't think I should be paid any more.
    why don't we pay people like this

    However, if I did enough to just scoot by, never worked weekends, gossiped in the lounge instead of working, slacked off on committee work ... I'd STILL be paid the same salary because of my degree.
    more than people like this?

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Good to know its all about the kids.

    "When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children."

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Food View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised. I believe CalPERS is a state agency so they should be able to nip that in the bud. Military and most police officers lose their pension for stuff like that. Teachers should as well.
    Should, but CalPers won't. It's contractual and they negotiate with the folks their donations put in office..
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post



    why don't we pay people like this



    more than people like this?

    In every workplace--unionized or not--you'll find deadwood. It's just the way it is. Please don't try and convince me that is not the case with the military, for example.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I have a specialized degree, so I make more than my coworkers who have been teaching just as long as I have. I work my ass off all year long taking on extra committee jobs, working weekends, paying for many materials from my own pocket, etc. Now, I believe I'm paid well for what I do. I don't think I should be paid any more.

    However, if I did enough to just scoot by, never worked weekends, gossiped in the lounge instead of working, slacked off on committee work ... I'd STILL be paid the same salary because of my degree. That's messed up.
    So you work your butt off. Does it not make you feel slighted when some here argue that teachers are lazy and overpaid? In fact, one even thanked you which I find rather strange. J-mac, have you had a change of heart, deary?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Constitution only specifies defense. It says nothing about offensive spending. We can no longer afford to spend 7 times what the next biggest spender spends.
    Hey, no doubt about it. I fully agree. Now sure there was a time right after 9/11 that I was full throated in support of Iraq, and Afghanistan as it pertained to removing Saddam, and routing the Taliban. However, 10 years later, and building nations that have little use or appreciation for what we sacrificed for them? Not so much. But, with Obama, he doesn't just stick to his enumerated powers as laid out by the Constitution. He seems to think that he will play the constitution game as long as Congress goes along with what he wants, and if not, well then he can just do it anyway, whether through a Czar, or head of a regulatory body which is NOT our form of Government.

    I've no problem with defense spending twice what the next biggest spender spends, like we used to until Reagan exploded our national debt with excessive military spending.
    So you would cut defense spending by at least 2/3 from $700 Billion to $200 Billion? Yeah, at this time in the world? heh, good luck with that.


    But, people will figure that out eventually when they realize we have a debt problem.
    They realize that now, but they for the most part don't agree with you that it is a defense spending problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground
    So you work your butt off. Does it not make you feel slighted when some here argue that teachers are lazy and overpaid? In fact, one even thanked you which I find rather strange. J-mac, have you had a change of heart, deary?
    Not at all. People like Josie are the model of the type of teacher that we need to keep. However, I would point you toward reading her entire post, where she talks of teachers not doing what she does, or caring, and still getting paid the same, with the same protections. This is the problem with a union model.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Constitution only specifies defense. It says nothing about offensive spending. We can no longer afford to spend 7 times what the next biggest spender spends.

    I've no problem with defense spending twice what the next biggest spender spends, like we used to until Reagan exploded our national debt with excessive military spending.

    But, people will figure that out eventually when they realize we have a debt problem.
    The constitution also specifies ZERO for the amount of federal education spending, yet the fastest growing, cabinet level federal department is DOEd. The entire DOEd should be terminated.

    I agree that there is plenty of fat in the defense budget, even the DOD says this, yet billions in defense PORK spending is at play, as EACH congressional district has skin in the game, so EACH congressman helps all of the others to keep this nonsense going. I remember reading that 37 states are "involved" in the production of the latest "joint services" fighter aircraft project, thus it has a virtual congressional "LOCK" for funding. The F22, the last "must have" military toy, has NEVER been used in combat, yet its replacement, the F35 is a "top priority" simply because congress says so.

    Foreign aid and "nation building" are other massive wastes of tax money; what sense does it make to borrow money just to give it away, often to nations that don't need it, have corrupt gov'ts and are filled with people that truely hate us?

    Welfare money is constantly squandered on 12% to 15% of the population, that simply refuse to get educated, get off drugs/alcohol and stop having children that they can not afford to raise, yet we spend and average of $7,500 on each of these morons and call it a "war on poverty". The same nation that frets over the cost of caring for its elderly, many that have worked their entire lives paying into SS/Medicare, willingly tosses money to the parent(s) of newborn out-of-wedlock children simply because they exist.

    We subsidze the production of corn, then we subsidze the production of sugar cane/beets to offset the losses caused by the subsidized high fructose corn syrup. We need a VERY serious review of this nations spending, specifically examining the constitutional authority of and a realistic cost/benefit analysis of ALL federal spending programs.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground
    So you work your butt off. Does it not make you feel slighted when some here argue that teachers are lazy and overpaid? In fact, one even thanked you which I find rather strange.
    This would be me - not necessarily the lazy thing, but the overpaid thing.

    I just say this because I lack an emotional plea and am more concerned about the economics of the teaching situation, specifically supply and demand. Every May, colleges just flood the workplace with 22 year old girls graduating with degrees in education. Lowering the mean average salary of teachers may help put a stopper in this flood.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, it is that way even without a union. So, we should be honest.
    By this, do you mean onll for public sector jobs? Or for teachers in general? Because otherwise, I would have to disagree.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children."

    - Albert Shanker, President, American Federation of Teachers
    Wow.




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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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