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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Food View Post
    Have you thought this through? A classroom proctor still provides local contact. And you can't expect children to learn the same via internet based learning. You're basically advocating for destroying the quality of education for children in America because of some strange fascination with sexual molestation.
    I doubt it could get worse than it is. California is ranked around 47th in education and their teachers are paid the about highest in the country. Molestation arrests are happening at least once a month just in California. If wanting kids to be safe from creeps is a "strange fascination", the answer would be yes. Did I mention teachers have the right contractually to retire with pension even if they are convicted and jailed for child molestation? They should receive back any contributions they made to their pension, the rest stays in the fund if they are convicted of committing any crime on the job.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

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    That is because they were looking for a way to measure the teacher. There are other benchmark testing that holds students accountable, one off the top of my head would be the SAT. Why is it completely out of bounds to come up with a standardized method to measure teacher effectiveness?
    As noted by DHN, this is not the way to do it. As a measure, as conducted, the results are simply unrealiable and of no value.

    Joe, I have told you all too many times, I am a parent. Raised two children successfully through primary school and now in collage. How dare you look down your nose at parents that are fed up with your entitlement attitude as a teacher, and your weak ass excuse making pushing off your failures onto parents, and students rather than excelling at your own damned job. What I would say is that you are parroting the BS union line that most in your position of striving for mediocrity brings, it is transparent, and pathetic. Let me know when you decide to stop blaming 15 year olds for your failures.
    I too am a parent. Raised a couple of children of my own. I have both the knowledge parents have, and inside knowledge. Telling you the truth is not looking down my nose. You really do not understand the problem, and that is simply the truth.

    What exactly is your job Joe? Over the years I have heard so much Bull on that particular subject that I am not sure I would believe you should you post it honestly.
    My job is present accurate infomration, know my subject matter, be availble to answer questions, provide feedback, and encourage students to try. But as I tell them, it takes both of us to have optimum results. Knowledge does not leap from one head to another. The student must try to learn.


    Too vague. Set some real parameters. All you are giving here is wishy washy mush that can't be nailed down...
    J, that's silly. The list is specific. This is when you look like you either didn't read or understand what was written.

    And the coach wouldn't last long in the boxing world if that coach was constantly blaming everyone else for his boxers losses.
    Nor would the boxer.


    Yeah, well good luck with that if you continue to foster an adversarial relationship.
    It's not me doing j. You are. I'm saying it takes all of us, so we have to work together. You're not doing that.

    Nonsense, but you have to start somewhere. And by the sound of the silliness coming from you, parents have picked the correct place to start.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Did I mention teachers have the right contractually to retire with pension even if they are convicted and jailed for child molestation? They should receive back any contributions they made to their pension, the rest stays in the fund if they are convicted of committing any crime on the job.
    I wouldn't be surprised. I believe CalPERS is a state agency so they should be able to nip that in the bud. Military and most police officers lose their pension for stuff like that. Teachers should as well.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As noted by DHN, this is not the way to do it. As a measure, as conducted, the results are simply unrealiable and of no value.



    I too am a parent. Raised a couple of children of my own. I have both the knowledge parents have, and inside knowledge. Telling you the truth is not looking down my nose. You really do not understand the problem, and that is simply the truth.



    My job is present accurate infomration, know my subject matter, be availble to answer questions, provide feedback, and encourage students to try. But as I tell them, it takes both of us to have optimum results. Knowledge does not leap from one head to another. The student must try to learn.




    J, that's silly. The list is specific. This is when you look like you either didn't read or understand what was written.



    Nor would the boxer.




    It's not me doing j. You are. I'm saying it takes all of us, so we have to work together. You're not doing that.



    I will never understand why you think the people who know the most should not be part of the solution. I wish you could see how illogical you're being.

    I know this, between this story, and the one in Chicago where teachers are demanding more pay, and you couple that with piss poor results that the public education system is putting out, I think you teachers are running as fast as you can headlong into a firestorm...Like I said earlier, people are fed up, and pissed off with teacher demands in light of the failed system you and your comrades have produced.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, that is a good outline you have there...How do you think current teachers would react to this type of model? Not very well I imagine.

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    Actually, I think most of them would like the idea of holding students and parents accountable, along with themselves.
    and the competition between schools would be a good thing. It works for every other business, after all, and most teachers use competition to get kids to perform.

    and I know they would love the idea of eliminating all of the layers of bureaucracy.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, I think most of them would like the idea of holding students and parents accountable, along with themselves.
    and the competition between schools would be a good thing. It works for every other business, after all, and most teachers use competition to get kids to perform.

    and I know they would love the idea of eliminating all of the layers of bureaucracy.
    Since teachers unions helped create this bureaucracy that you say rank and file teachers are fed up with what leads you to believe that they want this gone? Heck, that in most cases saves their jobs. Even when they are monumental screw ups.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I doubt it could get worse than it is. California is ranked around 47th in education and their teachers are paid the about highest in the country. Molestation arrests are happening at least once a month just in California. If wanting kids to be safe from creeps is a "strange fascination", the answer would be yes. Did I mention teachers have the right contractually to retire with pension even if they are convicted and jailed for child molestation? They should receive back any contributions they made to their pension, the rest stays in the fund if they are convicted of committing any crime on the job.

    For once, you have it right, the numbers are exaggerated, perhaps, but I have to agree that teachers who molest kids should lose their pensions.


    They won't need them in prison anyway.

    If it's any consolation, any teacher who hasn't been teaching for many years won't get much of a pension.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
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    You're a teacher and pretty quiet. Do you think you have it made in the shade or what? Do you get paid too much for the little work that you do?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, go back to school, get a teaching credential, and you can have it "made" as well.
    I have already identified I would not want to teach in a prior post which you may have missed. I do not envy teachers but I also do not whine that they work so hard while other work so much less. In fact, the hours, the effort, the output is the same no matter where one works in America - at least to those who work hard. Yet teachers benefits are so much more, yet those who whine about teachers is also so much more.

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    It would not be a solution to anything, but it would be an education for Ockham.
    I've had quite enough of an education from the public school system, then the Army, and then College. I know enough to differentiate **** from shineola, learned enough how not to step in the ****, and how to smell the **** when it's presented to me. By pointing out teachers do nothing more than anyone else; perhaps it's you who needs more of an education.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OK, here goes:

    First, we dissolve all attendance boundaries and then even out the money that each school receives. Every school gets the same $$ per student, and every parent can choose their kids' school.

    Next, form a parent/teacher committee to set standards for the individual school. Standards would include teacher performance, student performance, and behavior. Anyone who didn't like the standards or couldn't live up to them would have to find a school with lower standards.

    Next, get rid of the state, county, district bureaucracies. The job of the state could be to credential teachers and accredit schools, which would be confined to making sure that they all teach the basics. For that, they would keep 1% of the money allocated to education. The other 99% would go to the school.

    If the parents didn't like what the school was doing, how well it was performing, they would vote with their feet. Underperforming schools would close and/or open under new management just as neighborhood supermarkets that lose customers close and/or open under new management.

    Teachers and administrators would be accountable to the parents, students to the parents, and parents to see to it that their child(ren) were able to meet the standards set by the school.

    How's that?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, that is a good outline you have there...How do you think current teachers would react to this type of model? Not very well I imagine.

    j-mac
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Since teachers unions helped create this bureaucracy that you say rank and file teachers are fed up with what leads you to believe that they want this gone? Heck, that in most cases saves their jobs. Even when they are monumental screw ups.

    j-mac

    I too think Ditto has a good list - what's missing though is the buy in from the unions to allow such a thing to happen. The unions actually would be the biggest blockade to such a thing, and then the government at all levels would be the next. This would mean the system at large would have to put the welfare and education of children above themselves... both unions and government at all levels. I don't see that happening any time soon, sadly.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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