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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Maybe you should reconsider returning to school and becoming a teacher. If you care about the following generations.
    Maybe you missed the part where I said I was aware of my own limitations as far as teaching is concerned. Or did you only chose to read those parts of the posting that enraged you?

    Of course there are bad apples and I bet every occupation here has bad apples.
    The difference is that in most professions it doesn't take months of paid leave, and $100K in lawyers fees to get those bad apples out of the system.

    But too often people such as you use such a broad brush to paint teachers.
    It wouldn't be such a 'broad brush' situation if so many teachers, and blanket defenders didn't broadly say that it's all the parents, and students fault, that they fail as teachers.

    My daughter is a teacher and I know for a fact she puts in far more hours than you paint.
    Not a painter. But leave it to libs to denigrate honest work.

    Is her job as hard as a bucker on a logging crew? No, and I doubt if your job is hard as one on a logging crew. But there are some tough jobs a teacher does that the logger doesn't have to deal with.
    Not saying that. And I have teachers in my family tree as well.

    She has busted her ass to get her students to improve their education and just two months ago stepped in to rescue one young boy from an abusive and neglected living arrangement that nobody around him stood up.
    Admirable. Maybe she is one of the 'good ones'. No one said that they didn't exist.

    I think a problem with our young in education does come a lot from the home. Americans don't seem to value educating the mind as much as other cultures.
    On that we probably have more in agreement than disagreement. In raising our children, my wife and I were intimately involved with their education, but we did see a majority, that was shall we say less committed than we were.

    But we also saw many teachers that were less than committed also.

    Look on any Saturday and you will see sports fields loaded with soccer, baseball, football, and basketball youth association games. Ever see a math/science club for youth gathering on a Saturday here in America? No, of course not.
    Well, sports, music, and yes even clubs like math/science are proven to form a more well rounded student. So, my suggestion to you is that if you don't have that within your education community then be proactive and start one yourself. You can get support from the national org.

    Check out the names of your physicians at your local clinic and see how many were raised here in our country.
    That has more do with the cost of obtaining an MD in this country, combined with cost of malpractice insurance for entry level MD's, and payment for services not covering the cost of debt. Also, should Obamacare survive it will get worse. But that is off topic, and suitable for another thread.


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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sacramento ‘Teacher of the Year’ laid off


    Work hard, excel at what you do, contribute to society, and get laid off anyway.

    Ain't it great?

    This makes me want to go into the teaching profession and excel!

    Can this be what our education system has come to? Is this strivng for the "best of the best" in education? What a hoot.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    When someone retires after paying into a pension plan all of their working life, what the **** is wrong with that???

    PS. Construction workers, plumbers and electricians make a ton more than our teachers. At least here in Canada.
    They did here, too, until the government and the banks screwed over the housing market and plunged the country into a depression.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am not a teacher. I just have a lot more common sense then you do.
    So you think...


    I also know some teachers and realize how hard they work.
    As do I. Read the reply to Crosscheck.

    I also remember, since I was a student for all of my formative years.
    Well, congratulations! So were we all. Please reference the commencement speech given by David McCullough 'You are not special' It may help you.

    Are you that naive to think that teachers do not do extra curricular activities? Do you not think they have any prep work? Do you not think they have to grade papers and tests? Are you that naive to think that by 3:00 their day is done????
    Again, get that cryin' towel out dude....You think teachers are the only people that take work home? I got news for you, in today's work world taking work home to do on YOUR TIME is pretty commonplace.


    You know little to nothing about what you're bitching about.
    Don't confuse your bravado with my knowledge.

    Wow, really? Got numbers to back that up or is this something that you just pulled out of your ass?
    To think that only some survey on the opinion that teachers in some cases get into the profession for the wrong reasons is a foolish question to ask me. Not to mention that even if you were to have someone study the question, it would be doubtful that the study would get truthful answers.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am not a teacher. I just have a lot more common sense then you do. I also know some teachers and realize how hard they work. I also remember, since I was a student for all of my formative years. Are you that naive to think that teachers do not do extra curricular activities? Do you not think they have any prep work? Do you not think they have to grade papers and tests? Are you that naive to think that by 3:00 their day is done???? You know little to nothing about what you're bitching about.
    Your grade level elementary ed teachers put in more work than other fields, but even then it is subjective. For example, why does the elementary school gym teacher make as much as a 3rd grade instructional teacher? This teacher barely works 5.5 - 6 hours a day. Over a 180 day schedule this equates to about 1000 hours. Whereas the typical American who works a 270 day schedule and roughly 7.5-8 hours a day would work 2000+ hours. So in essence these employees are only working half of what the typical full time American works, yet they receive lavish benefits. The same can go for the arts teachers as well.

    The problem people have with teacher compensation is not that the good teachers who put in a lot of time and effort are paid too much money, it is that many teachers simply don't and get compensated regardless. This has an effect on the culture of the schools as well as the individual teachers themselves. Over time some teachers start off great, but once tenured they can start to slack off as they see other teachers doing less and having no bearing on their jobs. It is basic human nature. Therefore, it makes sense to pay teachers accordingly for the quality and value of their work. Paying teachers the same regardless of their position and work performed makes no sense. There should be accountability and with accountability would come better performance.

    Imagine if you were hired at a corporation and they told you that you would make $50k a year regardless of the work you did. You would never get fired and you would never get promoted or receive a pay increase above your peers. How would that effect you? Every individual would say "I'd do my best regardless because that's the type of person I am." But imagine now that this corporation hires 1,000 employees of all different positions, backgrounds and home situations. Do you really believe that everyone would be hard working and fully earn their paychecks?

    Other public jobs like police, fire, etc have positions that can be aspired to. You can come in as a patrolman, work your way up to a sargeant, lieutenant, etc. In teaching there is no such thing. And the notion of staggering income based on certain criteria is fought off by unions and the public teaching sector as a whole. It makes no sense. The largest bulk of our property taxes goes to education and yet the system is set up in such a way that there is zero accountability. Who does this benefit? The answer is not the students, not the parents, not the taxpayers and not our country. This is a public sector job, the answer should be one of those variables. If it is not, then they are doing something wrong.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    [QUOTE=Crosscheck; Check out the names of your physicians at your local clinic and see how many were raised here in our country.[/QUOTE]


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    That has more do with the cost of obtaining an MD in this country, combined with cost of malpractice insurance for entry level MD's, and payment for services not covering the cost of debt. Also, should Obamacare survive it will get worse. But that is off topic, and suitable for another thread.
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    They come here to get that education and pay even more than natives do for that education and they will pay the same malpractice insurance. Obamacare has nothing to do with this, this trend started a long time ago.

    We seem not to be that education driven as many other parts of the country. We can't compete with them any longer. In many Asian-Indian homes the goal of success is seen through hard work and here in many homes the goal of success is obtained by winning the super lottery.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    When someone retires after paying into a pension plan all of their working life, what the **** is wrong with that???
    I'm not claiming there's anything wrong with it. I'm saying the things you outlined are common enough - what's not common is the big pension they get, summers off they get, and tenure they get. The rest of us who work like dogs who don't get all those perks also put in prep time, over time, work late, work weekends, do extra's and pay out of our pockets.

    Teachers have it freakin' made.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    When someone retires after paying into a pension plan all of their working life, what the **** is wrong with that???

    PS. Construction workers, plumbers and electricians make a ton more than our teachers. At least here in Canada.
    That's fine if they keep only the money they put in and invested into their pensions. But when they kick in and ask tax payers to contribute to their pensions is when I have a problem. They can open a 403B or and IRA like the rest of us. The problem taxpayers have with teacher's pensions isn't that they take more than they contribute.

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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not claiming there's anything wrong with it. I'm saying the things you outlined are common enough - what's not common is the big pension they get, summers off they get, and tenure they get. The rest of us who work like dogs who don't get all those perks also put in prep time, over time, work late, work weekends, do extra's and pay out of our pockets.

    Teachers have it freakin' made.
    So, go back to school, get a teaching credential, and you can have it "made" as well.
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    Re: Teacher of the year is laid off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, go back to school, get a teaching credential, and you can have it "made" as well.
    In what world do you see this as a solution to the problem?

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