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AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

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News from The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.

Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?
 
News from The Associated Press



Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

So does this mean that all those people waiting in the "legal" line for documents are now going to be rubber-stamped as well? Obama's campaign slogan should read.. "Anyone with a vote for Obama come to America, and you'll be American's - But do it quickly, I only have a few months".. What a joke of an administration. I have never been so embarrassed in my entire life for the office of the Presidency. What gets me is that even Lib's should be upset about this.


Tim-
 
News from The Associated Press



Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.
 
So does this mean that all those people waiting in the "legal" line for documents are now going to be rubber-stamped as well? Obama's campaign slogan should read.. "Anyone with a vote for Obama come to America, and you'll be American's - But do it quickly, I only have a few months".. What a joke of an administration. I have never been so embarrassed in my entire life for the office of the Presidency. What gets me is that even Lib's should be upset about this.


Tim-

You make a good point. Those who are following the legal process shouldn't be pushed back so that those who aren't following the legal process can take priority. I know that illegal immigrants have options for achieving legal citizenship. I've known a few who hired immigration lawyers to help them through the process. I don't see why we can't offer them that recourse instead of some sort of instant pardon system.
 
Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.

Reagan isn't the topic of the thread.

If every argument was made to avoid stupid unjustified generalizations we'd have to list every single incident that ever occurred. It's just easier to focus on the current debate and avoid derailment on the basis of stupid ideological stereotyping and name calling.
 
Reagan isn't the topic of the thread.

If every argument was made to avoid stupid unjustified generalizations we'd have to list every single incident that ever occurred. It's just easier to focus on the current debate and avoid derailment on the basis of stupid ideological stereotyping and name calling.

The topic of the thread is immunity offered to immigrants. Well, Reagan did exaclty that and the right voted for him twice.

Don't like me pointing out hypocrisy, deal with it. I especially like how you call me out on so called "name calling" yet have no problem with Erod shouting out generalizations of Democrats.
 
The topic of the thread is immunity offered to immigrants. Well, Reagan did exaclty that and the right voted for him twice.

Don't like me pointing out hypocrisy, deal with it.

The topic of this thread is immunity offered to illegal immigrants by the Obama administration. For all you know, those decrying this move now (myself among them) decried Reagan's actions in regards to amnesty as well. It isn't necessary or required to say so in this thread because this thread isn't about Reagan's actions.

I fully expect you'll include every left-leaning politician that did something similar to a right-leaning politician's actions that you don't support, in every single thread, from here on out.

I mean, that's the only way you wouldn't be submitting hypocritical posts, right?
 
The topic of this thread is immunity offered to illegal immigrants by the Obama administration. For all you know, those decrying this move now (myself among them) decried Reagan's actions in regards to amnesty as well. It isn't necessary or required to say so in this thread because this thread isn't about Reagan's actions.

I fully expect you'll include every left-leaning politician that did something similar to a right-leaning politician's actions that you don't support, in every single thread, from here on out.

I mean, that's the only way you wouldn't be submitting hypocritical posts, right?

I think you scared him off. :)


Tim-
 
The topic of this thread is immunity offered to illegal immigrants by the Obama administration. For all you know, those decrying this move now (myself among them) decried Reagan's actions in regards to amnesty as well. It isn't necessary or required to say so in this thread because this thread isn't about Reagan's actions.

I fully expect you'll include every left-leaning politician that did something similar to a right-leaning politician's actions that you don't support, in every single thread, from here on out.

I mean, that's the only way you wouldn't be submitting hypocritical posts, right?

Tell you what. If you think I'm off topic, report me, otherwise deal with it. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the right decrying this as horrible all the while supporting a president from the right that did exactly that is not offtopic.

It amazes me everytime to see the right crying about something the Obama adminstration does that a revered previous president have done. The right voted for Reagan TWICE, that's support.
 
Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.

and it didn't work. So lets keep repeating our same mistake. I won't call Democrats/Liberals hyporcrites on this issue. I will say they are plainly ignoring the issue and have no real answers to solve the illegal immigration problems.
 
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Tell you what. If you think I'm off topic, report me, otherwise deal with it. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the right decrying this as horrible all the while supporting a president from the right that did exactly that is not offtopic.

It amazes me everytime to see the right crying about something the Obama adminstration does that a revered previous president have done. The right voted for Reagan TWICE, that's support.

Are you referring the amnesty bill that passed Congress? An EO now equals a passed bill? Really?
 
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And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

I believe the term 'certain immagrants' is used because this applies to immagrants brought into the USA as children, rather than by their own free will.
 
i don't have a problem with this. it ensures that kids dragged here by their parents and who have grown up American won't be deported. they have to be younger than 30, have a high school diploma, and a clean criminal record.
 
Republicans have lurched so far to the right the debates between Reagan and G HW Bush would not be framed within the bounds of the current immigration debate. The paragons of conservatism would now be RINOs. They should really stop evoking such imagery and instead use George Wallace or John Birch. The right is overrun by conservative christian racists.
 
In some regard the matter is a practical one in that as a conservative I've supported the notion that we can't (As a practical matter) just deport children born here as a matter of law they are American's, so something has to be done for them, but what I do not support is granting amnesty without those waiting in line and paying the fees that are associated with citizenship. You can't just go deporting all illegals and their children, and frankly upstanding "illegal immigrants" are not the problem. It's the one's that came here illegally and continue down that illegal path.

1. Shut down the border, and mean shut it down.
2. Provide a path for all working and otherwise upstanding individuals a way to become legal but at the back of the line.
3. Give them six months to register themselves and their families, and if they don't they go regardless of whether they had children here.

It's fair, and reasonable for everyone involved.

Tim-
 
Republicans have lurched so far to the right the debates between Reagan and G HW Bush would not be framed within the bounds of the current immigration debate. The paragons of conservatism would now be RINOs. They should really stop evoking such imagery and instead use George Wallace or John Birch. The right is overrun by conservative christian racists.


Looking at issues as left and right through rose colored glasses isn't going to gain you any credibility on DP, cookie. You're remark could be construed as a general ad hom, and in a rational discussion on this issue is tarnished by labels you perceive or place on members at DP without any knowledge of their actual views on the subject. I suggest coming to these threads with an open mind, not one filled with self indignation.


Tim-
 
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It amazes me everytime to see the right crying about something the Obama adminstration does that a revered previous president have done. The right voted for Reagan TWICE, that's support.

I seem to recall that the immigration passed through congress with the promise that democrats would actually do something to prevent the illegal immigration from continuing. They didn't. It actually got worse. Now it seems you want to do it again, not having learned anything.
 
Tell you what. If you think I'm off topic, report me, otherwise deal with it. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the right decrying this as horrible all the while supporting a president from the right that did exactly that is not offtopic.

It amazes me everytime to see the right crying about something the Obama adminstration does that a revered previous president have done. The right voted for Reagan TWICE, that's support.

Reagan elected 1980
Reagan elected 1984
Immigration amnesty passes both houses of Congress and signed 1986.

Yep, voted twice in support of something that happened after the fact. And again, an EO doesn't equal a bill that passes both houses and signed into law.
 
Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.

I wonder why he did? Because rat bastard Democrats convinced him that if he did it, it would never be needed again. They told him the bill would include funding for the border, to prevent more from coming. And as usual, conservatives are stupid enough to believe the stupid excuses to compromise.

You are right though. Conservatives should stop compromising.
 
i don't have a problem with this. it ensures that kids dragged here by their parents and who have grown up American won't be deported. they have to be younger than 30, have a high school diploma, and a clean criminal record.
Those are my thoughts as well, I think this is a great move by the Obama administration.
 
Those are my thoughts as well, I think this is a great move by the Obama administration.

Maybe my wife and her family can get all their money back. Twice, since the first time the government conveniently lost all the paperwork and evidence of fees paid.

Equal protection is such a joke these days.
 
It's a practical decision, both structurally and politically. Too bad they can't apply the same practicalness to drug offenders.

This is an election year. This is the only time that money will flow from the USG to the lower classes of society. The party in power wants to remain in power so they can have another 3 years of unfettered theft. This is no different than all the Previous administrations, both Repugnacant and Democrap.

Regardless of which scumbag is elected, you will see 3 more years of pocket-lining if Romney wins and 4 more years if Obusha wins.

Welcome to America, land of the free lunch and home of the brave.
 
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