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AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

It's a practical decision, both structurally and politically. Too bad they can't apply the same practicalness to drug offenders.

This is an election year. This is the only time that money will flow from the USG to the lower classes of society. The party in power wants to remain in power so they can have another 3 years of unfettered theft. This is no different than all the Previous administrations, both Repugnacant and Democrap.

Regardless of which scumbag is elected, you will see 3 more years of pocket-lining if Romney wins and 4 more years if Obusha wins.

Welcome to America, land of the free lunch and home of the brave.

Amen.

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The topic of the thread is immunity offered to immigrants. Well, Reagan did exaclty that and the right voted for him twice.

Don't like me pointing out hypocrisy, deal with it. I especially like how you call me out on so called "name calling" yet have no problem with Erod shouting out generalizations of Democrats.

Apples and oranges, but nice try. Reagan didn't grant amnesty - congress did. AND there was a whole lot more to that than this, it was supposed to come along with increased enforcement at the border. It was meant to wash our hands go forth and sin no more. But the securing of the border never happened.

Now we have a POTUS who is doing it by fiat, by executive power. Without the authorization of congress. Big difference.
 
Those are my thoughts as well, I think this is a great move by the Obama administration.

Did we elect a President or a dictator? Are there three branches of government or do we live by decry of our President/ dictator.
 
Ahh, don't you love the sound of GOP squealing in the morning? :mrgreen:
 
News from The Associated Press

Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

Don't forget 800,000 new work permits. As if youth unemployment isn't high enough already.
 
Don't forget 800,000 new work permits. As if youth unemployment isn't high enough already.

Will the BLS add this to their unemployment formula before or after the election?
 
Will the BLS add this to their unemployment formula before or after the election?

After no doubt.

Jul 25, 2011

Obama says he can't change immigration laws on his own

By David Jackson, USA TODAY Updated 2011-07-25

told Hispanics today he is with them on overhauling the nation's immigration laws -- but he won't use executive orders to alter the law on things such as deportations.

"Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own," Obama told members of a National Council of La Raza conference who shouted back, "Yes, you can! Yes, you can!"

"That's not how our democracy functions," Obama responded. "That's not how our Constitution is written."

Obama says he can't change immigration laws on his own

Obama..................more flip flops than a freshly caught Mackerel on a boat deck.
 
News from The Associated Press



Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

Although Obama's methods are a sleazy way to keep illegal immigrants here legally with the workers card, I don't think he is advocating that they be made citizens that can vote.

What he may be trying to do though is rally the legal Hispanic voters to support him.
 
Although Obama's methods are a sleazy way to keep illegal immigrants here legally with the workers card, I don't think he is advocating that they be made citizens that can vote.

What he may be trying to do though is rally the legal Hispanic voters to support him.

Could be.

I read yesterday Trump's claim that Obama has begged a favor from the Saudis to keep gas prices low until after the election. Thought about beginning a thread and then realized that I didn't know whether it should go into the Conspiracies forum or where. I mean, it's Trump, after all, and the idea that anybody could be this cynical is just too awful to think about.

But so is the notion that what's under discussion here could also really be that cynical.
 
Although Obama's methods are a sleazy way to keep illegal immigrants here legally with the workers card, I don't think he is advocating that they be made citizens that can vote.

What he may be trying to do though is rally the legal Hispanic voters to support him.

That's exactly what he's doing.
 
Could be.

I read yesterday Trump's claim that Obama has begged a favor from the Saudis to keep gas prices low until after the election. Thought about beginning a thread and then realized that I didn't know whether it should go into the Conspiracies forum or where. I mean, it's Trump, after all, and the idea that anybody could be this cynical is just too awful to think about.

But so is the notion that what's under discussion here could also really be that cynical.

I don't know if I would believe that, but I wouldn't put it past him. He's in re-election mode. The whole gay marriage issue along with this in my opinion are ploys to get re-elected or fire up his base.
 
i don't have a problem with this. it ensures that kids dragged here by their parents and who have grown up American won't be deported. they have to be younger than 30, have a high school diploma, and a clean criminal record.

I have a problem with it, unless they will have to pay the fee's like everyone else who came here legally?
 
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I have a problem with it, unless they will have to pay the fee's like everyone else who came here legally?

Well, in all fairness, this isn't actual citizenship--according to The One--but just a measure to keep these kids from being deported.

It's not a fix and it's not permanent, which purdy much makes it a political stunt to win votes. Just shows how scared Krewe Obama really is.
 
Thing is, soon as the election is over, these kids get thrown to the wolves if Obama wins. He's not going to fight the matter with the congress in the court, so he'll drop them like a hot potato. One of the most cynical and calculated election moves I seen. I'm so disgusted with our POTUS right now.
 
You know what? Assuming this is all election season pandering, I don't know what's worse:

The actual pandering itself, the fact that they think we'll buy it, or the fact that some people will buy it.

I eagerly await our fast food overlords and reruns of "Ow! My Balls".
 
Although Obama's methods are a sleazy way to keep illegal immigrants here legally with the workers card, I don't think he is advocating that they be made citizens that can vote.

What he may be trying to do though is rally the legal Hispanic voters to support him.

They don't need to be citizens to vote. The work visa allows them to get a drivers license.

National Voter Registration Act of 1993

The legislation was initially designed to reduce costs of voting registration by accumulating individual data when applying for a drivers license and or receiving social assistance.[1] The "motor voter" nickname came from the idea that most of the NVRA data was accumulated from applicants renewing or obtaining driver's licenses.[1] Individuals who applied for "agency based" needs such as food stamps, disability services and other social services were to be offered voter registration, as well.

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not very hard to see what's going to happen here.
 
This is no more than a deferral. It is not permanent and expires after two years with extensions.. I personally know of a young woman who was a straight "A" student of great character, she was born in the US illegally and when she graduated high school had to go back to Brazil. She cannot go to college there and any chances she had at a decent life while contributing to society have been greatly diminished.

What the younger immigrants will obtain, officials said, is the ability to apply for a two-year "deferred action" that effectively removes the threat of deportation for up to two years, with repeated extensions. "This is not immunity, it is not amnesty," said Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary. "It is an exercise of discretion." People whose deferrals are approved will then be able to apply for work permits, which will be dealt with case by case, officials said. They estimated that the new policy would cover about 800,000 people."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/u...g-some-illegal-immigrants.html?pagewanted=all
 
Wow...so many thoughts on this.

From a balance of powers view...this is yet another grap by the President. It's funny that throughout hte Bush years you had complaints that the Presidency was getting too powerful, and now those that decried it (and those who defended it) are on flipped sides). To my understanding htis broadscale use of immunity powers is not really in line with past actions by a President, and in a practical sense is an end around of the legislative branch by flippantly disregarding the law that is passed by congress to do something entirely different.

From a poli sci stand point for the election, this could go either way. On one hand, its a clear and unquestionable pandering act towards the latino community who...after 4 years of Obama...basically feel that there was nothing really done to validate their trust in him in 08. On the other hand, the notion of amnesty of various kinds isn't exactly a favored topic for the American public and can EASILY be spun into a negative by Republicans on various fronts. One of the largest instances of the base being motivated in recent memory was when REPUBLICANS (those hypocrites) voters and citizens came out and complained about BUSH (you know, that Republican) and McCain (You know, that Republican) pushing for an amnesty-esque bill (Those HYPOCRITE Republicans, complaining about it under a Republican President and spearheaded in part by a Republican Senator).

From a "hmm, Conspiracy" stand point...it's going to fuel the fires of those accusing the Democrats of pushing against voter ID laws because of hte desire for illegals to vote, as they now have ammunition that those people are being bribed to vote and provided safe stay to be able to vote.

This is one of those issues that really hits home to me why my feeling recently of using the government to "feel good" or "do what is moral" as your main method of thinking, rather than using "Is this what the government was constitutionally expected to be doing' as the main method of thought, is problematic. Emotion trumps reason far too often to make it be a useful tool fo rdeciding what is good or not in terms of laws (or just ACTIONS, not even laws, in this case since it flies in the face of the law)
 
This is no more than a deferral. It is not permanent and expires after two years with extensions.. I personally know of a young woman who was a straight "A" student of great character, she was born in the US illegally and when she graduated high school had to go back to Brazil. She cannot go to college there and any chances she had at a decent life while contributing to society have been greatly diminished.

If she was born in the U.S. she is a citizen and can go to college. The immigration status of her parents is irrelevant.
 
If she was born in the U.S. she is a citizen and can go to college. The immigration status of her parents is irrelevant.

And she, if she really was born in the US, can apply for re-entry as a citizen. That's how it works, and should work IMO. If we find illegals who have made a family here in the US - the illegal parents and their underage children should be deported. Once those children reach majority years they can apply for re-entry as US citizens (without the illegal parents and family) if they so choose.
 
i don't have a problem with this. it ensures that kids dragged here by their parents and who have grown up American won't be deported. they have to be younger than 30, have a high school diploma, and a clean criminal record.

Thank you. We pay to educate them through high school and then we pay to deport them back to mexico. That makes a whole lotta sense. Of course with political discussions, common sense is typically void.
 
Have feeling this end up being a huge blunder. Bet he loses 5-7% in polls over the next week. It wasn't that long ago the Bush and GOP controlled Congress tried this and what were the results?
 
Thank you. We pay to educate them through high school and then we pay to deport them back to mexico. That makes a whole lotta sense. Of course with political discussions, common sense is typically void.

One of the solutions was not not educate them. Makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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