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AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

Thunder said:
the best way to stop illegal immigration, is to significantly increase the fines & prison terms for hiring illegals, and to require ALL employable folks in the USA carry a drivers license or some other card that has info regarding their citizenship or immigration status.

as long as folks refuse things like REAL ID, and other centralized & uniform id programs, the problem will just continue.

anyone who knowningly hires an illegal alien should go to prison for a minimum of 5 years..and pay a $25,000 fine per each illegal they hire.

anyone who hires an illegal alien because they failed to check their status, should pay a $5,000 fine per each illegal.

inact these laws, and things will change.
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If you enjoy paying $0.99/lb for apples and oranges, you wouldn't want such enforcement of immigration and labor laws.
 
Kushinator said:
If you enjoy paying $0.99/lb for apples and oranges, you wouldn't want such enforcement of immigration and labor laws.
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ah, so in order to keep fruits & vegetables nice and affordable, we shouldn't crack down on employers who hire illegal aliens.

gotcha. ;)
 
I wish someone would edit the OP, as it is incorrect.

NO ONE is being offered immunity from deportation......only a short-term deferral.
 
Thunder said:
ah, so in order to keep fruits & vegetables nice and affordable, we shouldn't crack down on employers who hire illegal aliens.

gotcha. ;)
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It is a shame what happens when a nation becomes addicted to low-skill/low-wage labor.
 
AdamT said:
You realize that we're experiencing significant NEGATIVE immigration under Obama, right? And over all, Obama has increased border security and has deported more illegals relative to his predecessor.
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mejico's economy is iomproving and growing at a faster rate than the US economy. No jobs here, they go where the jobs are. So yay...Obama's continued ineffectual term as president re employment and that 14 plus percent unemployment rate is at least causing illegals to leave. Another 4 years of the guy, hell mejico will likely have to worry about our illegal emigrants into their country.
 
jamesrage said:
Conservatives were just as pissed when Bush was trying to pass Amnesty and I am pretty sure they were pissed when Reagan passed amnesty.BTW conservative doesn't Republican nor does Republican equal conservative.
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So your saying Reagan wasnt a conservative ?? hes the conservatives Icon and hero
 
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Thunder said:
will someone please tell which illegal immigrants are now "immune" from deportation?
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It appears that whatever the mood of the president is now defines immigration policy. The logic appears to be that since we "can not enforce the law as written" and deport all of the estimated 11 million illegal aliens, that Obama will decide which are simply to be left alone (not deported and given work permit papers). As I understand it, if an illegal alien came here as a minor (with their parent?), at least 5 years ago and is now under 30, and is in or has completed high school, then they are not subject to deportaion UNLESS they have committed another "serious" crime.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
...As I understand it, if an illegal alien came here as a minor (with their parent?), at least 5 years ago and is now under 30, and is in or has completed high school, then they are not subject to deportaion UNLESS they have committed another "serious" crime.
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wrong!!

when they apply for a Green Card, they might be deported. When they apply to renew their Green Card, they migth be deported.

ALL this rule does is say they will not immediately be deported for simply being illegal. But as soon as they come forward, they may be deported for other reasons.
 
Zyphlin said:
No.

It's very likely Mitt would try to do something like it.

Remember, Bush also TRIED to get a massive immigration bill with pseudo-amnesty passed. Remember, it didn't happen.

Presidents are not Kings. It's likely mitt would try to do something like this. I'd say its far from likely that he'd succeed.
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Samantics, but fair enough.
 
AdamT said:
So it has nothing to do with stepped up enforcement and border security. That would indicate to me that there's no point in further boosting enforcement and border security, because those efforts have NO effect.
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Thunder said:
wrong!!

when they apply for a Green Card, they might be deported. When they apply to renew their Green Card, they migth be deported.

ALL this rule does is say they will not immediately be deported for simply being illegal. But as soon as they come forward, they may be deported for other reasons.
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Perhaps I am wrong but it was understanding that these people can now get work permits. Wouldn't that constitute coming forward.
 
I just searched for a copy of the EO. didn't find it on the WO site or others. It would be interesting to read the exact wording of the EO. I would have thought the White House would have it posted. It had others but I didn't see the immigration (illegal) one.
Anyone have a link?
 
Probably previous Republican Presidents didn't consider doing this in order not to lose republican vote, whereas Obama is considering this action to attract democratic (and immigrant) vote.

However, it is a dubious move on Obama's part because it can only attract even more illegals.
 
Hicup said:
Looking at issues as left and right through rose colored glasses isn't going to gain you any credibility on DP, cookie. You're remark could be construed as a general ad hom, and in a rational discussion on this issue is tarnished by labels you perceive or place on members at DP without any knowledge of their actual views on the subject. I suggest coming to these threads with an open mind, not one filled with self indignation.


Tim-
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Your preaching to a left-leaning poster like this would only seem credible had you not posted on the first page while ignoring the OP which was posted in a manner that was "Looking at issues as left and right through rose colored glasses" thereby giving them credibility on DP with your support.
 
Aberration said:
I wonder why he did? Because rat bastard Democrats convinced him that if he did it, it would never be needed again. They told him the bill would include funding for the border, to prevent more from coming. And as usual, conservatives are stupid enough to believe the stupid excuses to compromise.

You are right though. Conservatives should stop compromising.
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They seem to have done just that.
 
Thunder said:
how would this law attract more illegals?

new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.
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The hard core anti-immigrant folks run on the delusion that the whole world wants to live in the United States more than they do their own countries. immigrants move where the work is. They don't move to America just because. There are reasons. And implementing reasons in a political realm requires logic. Immigration is yet another issue that is ruled by emotion and emotion in politics is the death of logic.
 
Thunder said:
how would this law attract more illegals?

new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.
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Even if that is the case, there is potential for new illegals to expect that they will eventually be declared legal... and why not? :roll:
 
Mya said:
Even if that is the case, there is potential for new illegals to expect that they will eventually be declared legal... and why not? :roll:
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teamosil said:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/...on-individuals-who-came-to-us-as-children.pdf
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Per the memo:

The following criteria should be satisfied before an individual is considered for an exercise of prosecutorial discretion pursuant to this memorandum:

• came to the United States under the age of sixteen;
• has continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of this memorandum and is present in the United States on the date ofthis memorandum;
• is currently in school, has graduated from high school, has obtained a general education development certificate, or is an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces ofthe United States;
• has not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety; and
• is not above the age of thirty.

No individual should receive deferred action under this memorandum unless they first pass a background check and requests for relief pursuant to this memorandum
are to be decided on a case by case basis. DHS cannot provide any assurance that relief will be granted in all cases.

For individuals who are granted deferred action by either ICE or USCIS, USCIS shall accept applications to determine whether these individuals qualify for work authorization during this period of deferred action.

This memorandum confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights. It remains for the executive branch, however, to set forth policy for the exercise ofdiscretion within the framework of the existing law. I have done so here.
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