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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Changing the subject? Haha, so what do you do for the ones we have educated?
    Well, if they are here illegally with their parents (weren't born here). Deport the illegal parents and the illegal kids and fine them the cost of the provided education (which they stole - the parents that is). If the children were born here, no charge, that's just the cost of providing education to our [future] citizens. As I said before, deport the family and when the children that were born in the US reach majority age they may apply for re-entry as citizens (and they'll be educated).

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.
    Reagan amnesty is proof that the only thing amnesty does is encourage more illegal immigration and that any so called compromises are bogus. Probably not really a good idea to bring up Reagan in a amnesty thread if you are for amnesty.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Legalizing illegals, who had no say in breaking the law and have been good residents, should be given citizenship.
    They have little to no ties to their birth place and are effectually Americans.

    It's not right to punish children, for the mistakes of their parents.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, if they are here illegally with their parents (weren't born here). Deport the illegal parents and the illegal kids and fine them the cost of the provided education (which they stole - the parents that is). If the children were born here, no charge, that's just the cost of providing education to our [future] citizens. As I said before, deport the family and when the children that were born in the US reach majority age they may apply for re-entry as citizens (and they'll be educated).
    So with your solution we still pay to deport an educated person to mexico and thereby losing any future benefits they would accrue to our nation and literally giving mexico all the benefits of our education system, and then pay more money to put them back through the citizenship process to bring them back over here. Man that sounds so efficient.

    Or we could just give the high school educated kid a work permit and let him/her reapply for citizenship through a legal means, while working and being a productive memeber of our society, and keeping the people we pay to educate in the country.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The topic of the thread is immunity offered to immigrants. Well, Reagan did exaclty that and the right voted for him twice.

    Reagan amnesty happened his second term, not before.So it doesn't really make any sense for criticizing 'right wingers' for voting for Reagan twice when amnesty happened after he was voted into office twice not before. If he enacted amnesty when he was governor of California then it might make sense to criticize 'right wingers' for voting for Reagan twice.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Legalizing illegals, who had no say in breaking the law and have been good residents, should be given citizenship.
    They have little to no ties to their birth place and are effectually Americans.

    It's not right to punish children, for the mistakes of their parents.
    Once they turn 18 they are no longer here against their will.They are no longer unwillingly breaking the law. They are making the consciences choice to be here illegally.They should be arrested,jailed for 6 months and deported like any one else who comes here illegally can be.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Legalizing illegals, who had no say in breaking the law and have been good residents, should be given citizenship.
    They have little to no ties to their birth place and are effectually Americans.

    It's not right to punish children, for the mistakes of their parents.
    There are a few logistic issues here...

    How many years in the country does it need to be? If they were brought in at 17? 14? 8? What age does it need to be documented they were brought over?

    What happens to their parents. If we're giving an illegal immigrant citizenship because we have verified they don't have a criminal record and other issues, then we must have some information about them in terms of where they're living, etc. Do the parents also essentially get a pass, but just not citizenship, because they brought a child with them for breaking the law?

    And that's in terms of people who are of age that were brought here illegally. What about a 9 year old? If he's made a citizen, do the parents get to stay illegally and raise him here or does he have to get deported along with the parents and can come back on his own once he's reached the age of adulthood?

    I actually don't have a issue in general with the notion of making it easier for children who were brought here illegaly to be able to gain permanent citizenship. However...I think there are a number of pitfalls that needs to be discussed and I think it can't be done simply on its own but must be combined with things that will discourage people in the future from simply taking advantage of that fact as a cheap, quick, easier means of getting their children citizenship and thus getting themselves sticking around.

    However that's all secondary here...

    The issue is not simply the immunity to illegal immigrants, but rather the means in which this is getting done. To me, this reach of Presidential Power is the more troubling (And before cries of HYPOCRITE, I was critical to many of the reaches of executive power on Bush's end as well) part of this then simply the attempt to allow certain illegals to stay here.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Once they turn 18 they are no longer here against their will.They are no longer unwillingly breaking the law. They are making the consciences choice to be here illegally.They should be arrested,jailed for 6 months and deported like any one else who comes here illegally can be.
    If you were brought here as an infant, never learned your home tongue, only know America.
    You're effectually not an illegal.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There are a few logistic issues here...

    How many years in the country does it need to be? If they were brought in at 17? 14? 8? What age does it need to be documented they were brought over?

    What happens to their parents. If we're giving an illegal immigrant citizenship because we have verified they don't have a criminal record and other issues, then we must have some information about them in terms of where they're living, etc. Do the parents also essentially get a pass, but just not citizenship, because they brought a child with them for breaking the law?

    And that's in terms of people who are of age that were brought here illegally. What about a 9 year old? If he's made a citizen, do the parents get to stay illegally and raise him here or does he have to get deported along with the parents and can come back on his own once he's reached the age of adulthood?

    I actually don't have a issue in general with the notion of making it easier for children who were brought here illegaly to be able to gain permanent citizenship. However...I think there are a number of pitfalls that needs to be discussed and I think it can't be done simply on its own but must be combined with things that will discourage people in the future from simply taking advantage of that fact as a cheap, quick, easier means of getting their children citizenship and thus getting themselves sticking around.

    However that's all secondary here...

    The issue is not simply the immunity to illegal immigrants, but rather the means in which this is getting done. To me, this reach of Presidential Power is the more troubling (And before cries of HYPOCRITE, I was critical to many of the reaches of executive power on Bush's end as well) part of this then simply the attempt to allow certain illegals to stay here.
    Some specifics should be done, to fix this.
    It's a complicated situation.

    Generally though, I'm referring to people who've been here for some time.
    I don't necessarily believe the parents should be legalized, just the children, who are now adults.
    They had no choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.
    And Democrats supported internment camps yet claimed to be in support of minorities. Hypocrites.

    See how stupid that was?
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