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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    You know what? Assuming this is all election season pandering, I don't know what's worse:

    The actual pandering itself, the fact that they think we'll buy it, or the fact that some people will buy it.

    I eagerly await our fast food overlords and reruns of "Ow! My Balls".
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Although Obama's methods are a sleazy way to keep illegal immigrants here legally with the workers card, I don't think he is advocating that they be made citizens that can vote.

    What he may be trying to do though is rally the legal Hispanic voters to support him.
    They don't need to be citizens to vote. The work visa allows them to get a drivers license.

    National Voter Registration Act of 1993

    The legislation was initially designed to reduce costs of voting registration by accumulating individual data when applying for a drivers license and or receiving social assistance.[1] The "motor voter" nickname came from the idea that most of the NVRA data was accumulated from applicants renewing or obtaining driver's licenses.[1] Individuals who applied for "agency based" needs such as food stamps, disability services and other social services were to be offered voter registration, as well.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    This is no more than a deferral. It is not permanent and expires after two years with extensions.. I personally know of a young woman who was a straight "A" student of great character, she was born in the US illegally and when she graduated high school had to go back to Brazil. She cannot go to college there and any chances she had at a decent life while contributing to society have been greatly diminished.

    What the younger immigrants will obtain, officials said, is the ability to apply for a two-year "deferred action" that effectively removes the threat of deportation for up to two years, with repeated extensions. "This is not immunity, it is not amnesty," said Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary. "It is an exercise of discretion." People whose deferrals are approved will then be able to apply for work permits, which will be dealt with case by case, officials said. They estimated that the new policy would cover about 800,000 people."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us...pagewanted=all

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Wow...so many thoughts on this.

    From a balance of powers view...this is yet another grap by the President. It's funny that throughout hte Bush years you had complaints that the Presidency was getting too powerful, and now those that decried it (and those who defended it) are on flipped sides). To my understanding htis broadscale use of immunity powers is not really in line with past actions by a President, and in a practical sense is an end around of the legislative branch by flippantly disregarding the law that is passed by congress to do something entirely different.

    From a poli sci stand point for the election, this could go either way. On one hand, its a clear and unquestionable pandering act towards the latino community who...after 4 years of Obama...basically feel that there was nothing really done to validate their trust in him in 08. On the other hand, the notion of amnesty of various kinds isn't exactly a favored topic for the American public and can EASILY be spun into a negative by Republicans on various fronts. One of the largest instances of the base being motivated in recent memory was when REPUBLICANS (those hypocrites) voters and citizens came out and complained about BUSH (you know, that Republican) and McCain (You know, that Republican) pushing for an amnesty-esque bill (Those HYPOCRITE Republicans, complaining about it under a Republican President and spearheaded in part by a Republican Senator).

    From a "hmm, Conspiracy" stand point...it's going to fuel the fires of those accusing the Democrats of pushing against voter ID laws because of hte desire for illegals to vote, as they now have ammunition that those people are being bribed to vote and provided safe stay to be able to vote.

    This is one of those issues that really hits home to me why my feeling recently of using the government to "feel good" or "do what is moral" as your main method of thinking, rather than using "Is this what the government was constitutionally expected to be doing' as the main method of thought, is problematic. Emotion trumps reason far too often to make it be a useful tool fo rdeciding what is good or not in terms of laws (or just ACTIONS, not even laws, in this case since it flies in the face of the law)

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is no more than a deferral. It is not permanent and expires after two years with extensions.. I personally know of a young woman who was a straight "A" student of great character, she was born in the US illegally and when she graduated high school had to go back to Brazil. She cannot go to college there and any chances she had at a decent life while contributing to society have been greatly diminished.
    If she was born in the U.S. she is a citizen and can go to college. The immigration status of her parents is irrelevant.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    If she was born in the U.S. she is a citizen and can go to college. The immigration status of her parents is irrelevant.
    And she, if she really was born in the US, can apply for re-entry as a citizen. That's how it works, and should work IMO. If we find illegals who have made a family here in the US - the illegal parents and their underage children should be deported. Once those children reach majority years they can apply for re-entry as US citizens (without the illegal parents and family) if they so choose.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't have a problem with this. it ensures that kids dragged here by their parents and who have grown up American won't be deported. they have to be younger than 30, have a high school diploma, and a clean criminal record.
    Thank you. We pay to educate them through high school and then we pay to deport them back to mexico. That makes a whole lotta sense. Of course with political discussions, common sense is typically void.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Have feeling this end up being a huge blunder. Bet he loses 5-7% in polls over the next week. It wasn't that long ago the Bush and GOP controlled Congress tried this and what were the results?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Thank you. We pay to educate them through high school and then we pay to deport them back to mexico. That makes a whole lotta sense. Of course with political discussions, common sense is typically void.
    One of the solutions was not not educate them. Makes a lot of sense to me.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    One of the solutions was not not educate them. Makes a lot of sense to me.
    Changing the subject? Haha, so what do you do for the ones we have educated?

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