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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I already supplied the cite to the Constitution. Did you want an actual quote?
    The Kansas City Star Opinion page is NOT the Constitution, though, I certainly can see where you'd think it was.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And where is the money supposed to come from to gather them all up? It would take overtime, multiple shifts, more people, more transportaion, and more gas to gather and transport them. Let alone the costs of building and manning this so called "wall" conservatives want. There are also some conservatives that believe they should be jailed first before being sent back.

    Where is that money going to come from? More borrowing from China?
    Sounds like a perfect jobs program.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Kansas City Star Opinion page is NOT the Constitution, though, I certainly can see where you'd think it was.
    So youre not aware that "Article 2" refers to the Constitution?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So youre not aware that "Article 2" refers to the Constitution?
    Why don't you explain how it applies here.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Why don't you explain how it applies here.
    Does it really need explanation? Apparently....

    Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that the President may "grant reprieves and pardons." So, what exactly is a reprieve? And what types of pardons can the President grant?


    A reprieve is merely a temporary postponement of a criminal sentence. For example, the president may decide to delay the death penalty for an individual. However, a reprieve does not relieve the individual from serving the sentence. So, if the individual was sentenced to the death penalty he or she would still receive the death penalty at some later point (unless the president actually grants a pardon to the individual).

    Presidential Pardons
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Except that is not what he has done. And you know it.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except that is not what he has done. And you know it.
    It's exactly what he's done: granted a temporary reprieve from deportation.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's exactly what he's done: granted a temporary reprieve from deportation.
    The info you provide on reprieve talks about criminal. Isn't being an illegal alien in the US (first time) a civil crime?
    Or are you finally admitting illegal aliens are criminals?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    The info you provide on reprieve talks about criminal. Isn't being an illegal alien in the US (first time) a civil crime?
    Or are you finally admitting illegal aliens are criminals?
    It can be criminal or not, depending on whether original entry was lawful.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It can be criminal or not, depending on whether original entry was lawful.
    If a non citizen enters the US through lawful means, they are not illegal. Your statement makes no sense.

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