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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

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    I wonder why he did? Because rat bastard Democrats convinced him that if he did it, it would never be needed again. They told him the bill would include funding for the border, to prevent more from coming. And as usual, conservatives are stupid enough to believe the stupid excuses to compromise.

    You are right though. Conservatives should stop compromising.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thing is, soon as the election is over, these kids get thrown to the wolves if Obama wins. He's not going to fight the matter with the congress in the court, so he'll drop them like a hot potato. One of the most cynical and calculated election moves I seen. I'm so disgusted with our POTUS right now.
    Me too, and yeah, they will be.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thing is, soon as the election is over, these kids get thrown to the wolves if Obama wins. He's not going to fight the matter with the congress in the court, so he'll drop them like a hot potato. One of the most cynical and calculated election moves I seen. I'm so disgusted with our POTUS right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Me too, and yeah, they will be.
    What happens is these kids, if they can prove that they are eligible, get a two-year reprieve (called "deferred action" by the Department of Homeland Security). I don't see them being "thrown to the wolves" immediately after the election, because no matter who wins in November, it's unlikely that they go back on this decision as it essentially becomes a case of double jeopardy.

    I really don't see any evidence for your claim that these kids will be "thrown to the wolves," even if this IS a calculated political move - which by the way is a theory i'm a bit skeptical of, because even if this wins him more Hispanic/Latino votes, it likely alienates many independent and swing voters.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good God man, have you no shame at all? What kind of debate do you really expect by opening up your posting with such a vile diatribe?
    Let's review your post just a mere two pages prior to this post above.

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    should Obama continue on the destroy America tour
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    This doofus (Obama) has subverted the Constitution at every turn
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    This current administration is not only the most arrogant in history, but IMHO, the most dangerous to our Constitution, and way of life.
    And you are lecturing others on how to post in such a fashion that inspires debate... Hypocrisy much?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.

    I think you just don't get the most basic elements of what is going on. ICE has finite resources. It has to choose where to spend them. Obviously it doesn't have enough resources to catch and deport every single undocumented immigrant, right? So it needs to prioritize. Rather than focusing resources on trying to catch folks who didn't even come here of their own volition and who aren't causing any trouble, ICE wants to focus on the highest priority targets. People that are committing other crimes are the top of the list, but people who came here of their own volition are also obviously higher priority than people who didn't, right?
    and that is why this Administration should partner more with the States rather than fighting them on illegal immigration.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    this has been debunked on other threads. food prices won't skyrocket up if all illegal aliens are removed.

    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    It amazes me how pro-illegals try to push the idea that food prices will skyrocket if the farmers who have been hiring illegalls suddenly were forced to hire legal workers.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how would this law attract more illegals?
    The same way Reagan Amnesty attracted more illegals.Because of the Reagan Amnesty we went from 3 million illegals to 12-20 million plus illegals in 26 years because all those illegals figured that scum in office would give them amnesty too.Why wouldn't a parents pack up all their kids and sneak across the border when pro-illegal scum are basically going to give their kids amnesty.

    Right now they say 800,000 will be granted immunity/amnesty.Seeing how they lied about how many illegals will get amnesty the first time they are most likely lying again.

    Amnesty won't work: Secure our borders | The American Legion
    When President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said, "This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.3 million illegal aliens.


    new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.
    How do you prove how long someone is here illegally?After all pro-illegals love to call them undocumented. So are you supposed to prove how long someone has been here when they do not have any documentation? Do you honestly believe that out of the 12-20 million plus illegals in this country that only 800,000 of them will get immunity/amnesty?
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It amazes me how pro-illegals try to push the idea that food prices will skyrocket if the farmers who have been hiring illegalls suddenly were forced to hire legal workers.
    What do you think will happen when farmers are forced to actually pay min wage for workers? Do you think the farmers will just eat the additional cost or what? Of course food prices will go up.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I'm wondering why Romney still hasn't come out saying that he would reverse this decision.
    He is waiting for poll results before he makes up his mind.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What do you think will happen when farmers are forced to actually pay min wage for workers? Do you think the farmers will just eat the additional cost or what? Of course food prices will go up.
    Of course they will pass on the cost. Most articles say prices could go up about 3%. Not the big jump that some have claimed.

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