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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.

    I think you just don't get the most basic elements of what is going on. ICE has finite resources. It has to choose where to spend them. Obviously it doesn't have enough resources to catch and deport every single undocumented immigrant, right? So it needs to prioritize. Rather than focusing resources on trying to catch folks who didn't even come here of their own volition and who aren't causing any trouble, ICE wants to focus on the highest priority targets. People that are committing other crimes are the top of the list, but people who came here of their own volition are also obviously higher priority than people who didn't, right?
    The Executive branch is to implement and enforce the laws passed. When a President decides to NOT enforce a valid law passed by Congress, the President is in violation of his oath of office, and possibly the Constitution. Basically, he's not doing his job.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Executive branch is to implement and enforce the laws passed. When a President decides to NOT enforce a valid law passed by Congress, the President is in violation of his oath of office, and possibly the Constitution. Basically, he's not doing his job.
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.

    I think you just don't get the most basic elements of what is going on. ICE has finite resources. It has to choose where to spend them. Obviously it doesn't have enough resources to catch and deport every single undocumented immigrant, right? So it needs to prioritize. Rather than focusing resources on trying to catch folks who didn't even come here of their own volition and who aren't causing any trouble, ICE wants to focus on the highest priority targets. People that are committing other crimes are the top of the list, but people who came here of their own volition are also obviously higher priority than people who didn't, right?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is not so much an outrage of what he did, but in the manner in which he did it that is what is going to get him in hot water.
    How so? Hot water with who? What do you mean by the manner in which he did it?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.
    It's been established that the executive branch can ignore the congress whenever it so well chooses? Oh really? In what Nazi bizzaro world, exactly? Are you from the future? That sure sounds like the future under Adolf Obama, anyway.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    It's been established that the executive branch can ignore the congress whenever it so well chooses?
    No, of course not. It has been established that the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion.

    Explain to me how you think it works. A law enforcement agency is given a budget of say $40 billion and it would cost $10 trillion to catch everybody violating a law it is charged with enforcing. Are you saying they should just blow the $40 billion on the first cases that happen to cross its path no matter how much it costs and then let everybody else go? Of course not. It needs to use its discretion to try to accomplish the most good with its finite resources. Right?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, of course not. It has been established that the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion.

    Explain to me how you think it works. A law enforcement agency is given a budget of say $40 billion and it would cost $10 trillion to catch everybody violating a law it is charged with enforcing. Are you saying they should just blow the $40 billion on the first cases that happen to cross its path no matter how much it costs and then let everybody else go? Of course not. It needs to use its discretion to try to accomplish the most good with its finite resources. Right?
    Complete red herring. Deporting an illegal who happens to have graduated is no different, neither financially nor legally, than one who just swam across the rio grande.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Complete red herring. Deporting an illegal who happens to have graduated is no different, neither financially nor legally, than one who just swam across the rio grande.
    Explain to me how you think it works. A law enforcement agency is given a budget of say $40 billion and it would cost $10 trillion to catch everybody violating a law it is charged with enforcing. Are you saying they should just blow the $40 billion on the first cases that happen to cross its path no matter how much it costs and then let everybody else go? Of course not. It needs to use its discretion to try to accomplish the most good with its finite resources. Right?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your lord and savior Reagan did it. Conservatives really are hypocrites.
    Most conservatives I know, admit it was a grave mistake. But I doubt you'll do the same in Obama's case.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is not so much an outrage of what he did, but in the manner in which he did it that is what is going to get him in hot water.

    j-mac
    I am reminded of a political cartoon from several years ago. It showed a caricature of a radical terrorist, before and after some alleged anti-Islam policy passed several years ago. Anyway, the first panel's caption was "Before the policy." He was clearly pissed and was yelling, "Death to America!" The second panel was "After the policy." He looked exactly the same and was yelling, "Death to America!"

    The Tea Party reminds me of that caricature. Obama could blink his eyes, and they'd hate him for that.

    Furthermore, I think it's the Republicans who are scared here (as they almost always are). If the Latino vote swings the electoral vote in favor of Obama, then they know that they are going to have real trouble regaining America's vote over the next couple of decades.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Executive branch is to implement and enforce the laws passed. When a President decides to NOT enforce a valid law passed by Congress, the President is in violation of his oath of office, and possibly the Constitution. Basically, he's not doing his job.
    That's total BS.



    What is Prosecutorial Discretion?▲

    “Prosecutorial discretion” is the authority of an agency or officer to decide what charges to bring and how to pursue each case. A law-enforcement officer who declines to pursue a case against a person has favorably exercised prosecutorial discretion. The authority to exercise discretion in deciding when to prosecute and when not to prosecute based on a priority system has long been recognized as a critical part of U.S. law. The concept of prosecutorial discretion applies in civil, administrative, and criminal contexts. The Supreme Court has made it clear that “an agency’s decision not to prosecute or enforce, whether through civil or criminal process, is a decision generally committed to an agency’s absolute discretion.” Heckler v. Chaney 470 U.S. 821, 831 (1985).


    Understanding Prosecutorial Discretion in Immigration Law | Immigration Policy Center


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