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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

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    On “Fox News Sunday,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Obama’s moved successfully undercut both Rubio and Romney.

    “This was the anti-Marco Rubio initiative by the administration,” Kristol said. “They were scared. Sen. Rubio was about to introduce his version of the Dream Act, which would have been closer to what President Obama announced than the actual Democratic Dream Act. I wish Rubio had introduced it over the last month or two. He got stalled, not every Republican was on board, the Romney campaign’s been cautious about it.”


    Romney dodges immigration questions - POLITICO.com


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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    The Xenophobic far-right is having a hissy fit.

    Especially the fat ones who don't work and live off disability or some other gov handout.

    Seems hardworking immigrants and those wishing to finish college are making some voters (TB) look bad.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Read this:

    On “Fox News Sunday,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Obama’s moved successfully undercut both Rubio and Romney.

    “This was the anti-Marco Rubio initiative by the administration,” Kristol said. “They were scared. Sen. Rubio was about to introduce his version of the Dream Act, which would have been closer to what President Obama announced than the actual Democratic Dream Act. I wish Rubio had introduced it over the last month or two. He got stalled, not every Republican was on board, the Romney campaign’s been cautious about it.”


    Romney dodges immigration questions - POLITICO.com

    I actually saw this when it aired. If that is the case, what a cold, cynical, and transparent ploy from Obama. I hope hispanics look at this and don't let Obama use them as distraction from what a failure his term has been.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The Xenophobic far-right is having a hissy fit.
    Good God man, have you no shame at all? What kind of debate do you really expect by opening up your posting with such a vile diatribe?

    Especially the fat ones who don't work and live off disability or some other gov handout.
    You must have these people mixed up with liberal/progressives.

    Seems hardworking immigrants and those wishing to finish college are making some voters (TB) look bad.
    Not at all. See, I consider my self a TEA party member, and I actually think that what Obama is talking about is ok. The only problems I have with it is the manner in which he did it, and the cynical way in which he is using the hispanic population.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The Xenophobic far-right is having a hissy fit.
    So then your fine when the role is reversed and the next Republican president bypasses congress & hands out dictates
    that not only ignore our laws but may help to re-elect him then? Speaking of hissy fits how about the commie left throwing one big one when they had take cuts from Walker? They may be able to bus supporters from the Chicago area to protest but they cant vote can they?

    Especially the fat ones who don't work and live off disability or some other gov handout.
    Except for the fact that I really dont know many so called right wingers that sponge off the goverment, most of them
    are Liberals who feel they are entitled to it.

    Seems hardworking immigrants and those wishing to finish college are making some voters (TB) look bad.
    If they are so hardworking & smart then maybe we should bring more into the Naperville area to compete with your children for jobs.
    Or maybe the local taxpayer (that'd be you) could pay more taxes & send some of these fine young immigrants to your local college to possibly take your kids spot.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    So then your fine when the role is reversed and the next Republican president bypasses congress & hands out dictates that not only ignore our laws but may help to re-elect him then?
    Well, they always do of course. Every administration decides how strongly or weakly to go after different things. Bush, for example, ludicrously underenforced environmental statues and statues regulating wall street. Heck, he put a guy from a paper company in charge of the department of the interior and loaded up the EPA with oil men.

    But, to be clear, Obama isn't ignoring the will of Congress. Everybody in Congress agrees that the current situation with immigration is totally effed. It's just that the Republicans broke Congress so now it can't do anything anymore. All he is doing is minimizing the harm done by the gridlock. This is exactly why Congress gave the executive prosecutorial discretion. Because it only has finite resources and it needs to figure out how to use them most efficiently, which is exactly what it is doing.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    But, to be clear, Obama isn't ignoring the will of Congress. Everybody in Congress agrees that the current situation with immigration is totally effed. It's just that the Republicans broke Congress so now it can't do anything anymore. All he is doing is minimizing the harm done by the gridlock. This is exactly why Congress gave the executive prosecutorial discretion. Because it only has finite resources and it needs to figure out how to use them most efficiently, which is exactly what it is doing.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!! The President is not a king, he can NOT decide that congress is taking too long, or any other BS excuse to subvert the Constitutional powers of his office.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!! The President is not a king, he can NOT decide that congress is taking too long, or any other BS excuse to subvert the Constitutional powers of his office.
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.

    I think you just don't get the most basic elements of what is going on. ICE has finite resources. It has to choose where to spend them. Obviously it doesn't have enough resources to catch and deport every single undocumented immigrant, right? So it needs to prioritize. Rather than focusing resources on trying to catch folks who didn't even come here of their own volition and who aren't causing any trouble, ICE wants to focus on the highest priority targets. People that are committing other crimes are the top of the list, but people who came here of their own volition are also obviously higher priority than people who didn't, right?
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    News from The Associated Press



    Gotta free 'em up so they can vote!

    I'd be embarassed to pander and kiss ass like this. Democrats have no shame, expecially in an election year. They fight against voter ID, then grant immunity to illegals. Could that agenda be any more obvious?

    And don't you love how the Associate Press refers to them as "certain immigrants" in the headline, instead of illegal immigrants?

    Please point out where this PURPOSED POLICY will give them voting right by Nov?


    The ignorant impotent outrage of the right on this story is pathetic.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The power to execute the law is given to the president in the constitution, not to the Congress. Prosecutorial discretion is part of that power. That has been thoroughly established in the courts for many decades.

    I think you just don't get the most basic elements of what is going on. ICE has finite resources. It has to choose where to spend them. Obviously it doesn't have enough resources to catch and deport every single undocumented immigrant, right? So it needs to prioritize. Rather than focusing resources on trying to catch folks who didn't even come here of their own volition and who aren't causing any trouble, ICE wants to focus on the highest priority targets. People that are committing other crimes are the top of the list, but people who came here of their own volition are also obviously higher priority than people who didn't, right?

    It is not so much an outrage of what he did, but in the manner in which he did it that is what is going to get him in hot water.

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