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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    ...However, it is a dubious move on Obama's part because it can only attract even more illegals.
    how would this law attract more illegals?

    new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how would this law attract more illegals?

    new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.
    The hard core anti-immigrant folks run on the delusion that the whole world wants to live in the United States more than they do their own countries. immigrants move where the work is. They don't move to America just because. There are reasons. And implementing reasons in a political realm requires logic. Immigration is yet another issue that is ruled by emotion and emotion in politics is the death of logic.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    one thing and one thing only attracts illegals to the USA: JOBS

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how would this law attract more illegals?

    new illegals won't be covered by this new rule.

    Even if that is the case, there is potential for new illegals to expect that they will eventually be declared legal... and why not?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Even if that is the case, there is potential for new illegals to expect that they will eventually be declared legal... and why not?

    Per the memo:

    The following criteria should be satisfied before an individual is considered for an exercise of prosecutorial discretion pursuant to this memorandum:

    • came to the United States under the age of sixteen;
    • has continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of this memorandum and is present in the United States on the date ofthis memorandum;
    • is currently in school, has graduated from high school, has obtained a general education development certificate, or is an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces ofthe United States;
    • has not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety; and
    • is not above the age of thirty.

    No individual should receive deferred action under this memorandum unless they first pass a background check and requests for relief pursuant to this memorandum
    are to be decided on a case by case basis. DHS cannot provide any assurance that relief will be granted in all cases.

    For individuals who are granted deferred action by either ICE or USCIS, USCIS shall accept applications to determine whether these individuals qualify for work authorization during this period of deferred action.

    This memorandum confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights. It remains for the executive branch, however, to set forth policy for the exercise ofdiscretion within the framework of the existing law. I have done so here.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    The bottom line question that should be asked here is this, Has Obama overstepped his authority in waiving his magic pen and declaring this subverting the authority of congress? And, Are we in Revolutionary times?

    Victor Davis Hanson thinks so....

    Are We in Revolutionary Times?
    By Victor Davis Hanson
    June 15, 2012 6:51 P.M. Comments28
    Legally, President Obama has reiterated the principle that he can pick and choose which U.S. laws he wishes to enforce (see his decision to reverse the order of the Chrysler creditors, his decision not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, and his administration’s contempt for national-security confidentiality and Senate and House subpoenas to the attorney general). If one individual can decide to exempt nearly a million residents from the law — when he most certainly could not get the law amended or repealed through proper legislative or judicial action — then what can he not do? Obama is turning out to be the most subversive chief executive in terms of eroding U.S. law since Richard Nixon.

    Politically, Obama calculates that some polls showing the current likely Hispanic support for him in the high 50s or low 60s would not provide enough of a margin in critical states such as Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado, or perhaps also in Florida and Virginia, to counteract the growing slippage of the independent vote and the energy of the clinger/tea-party activists. Thus, what was not legal or advisable in 2009, 2010, or 2011, suddenly has become critical in mid-2012. No doubt free green cards will quickly lead to citizenship and a million new voters. Will it work politically? Obama must assume lots of things: that all Hispanics vote as a block in favoring exempting more illegal aliens from the law, and are without worry that the high unemployment rate hits their community among the hardest; that black voters, stung by his gay-marriage stance, will not resent what may be seen as de facto amnesty, possibly endangering his tiny (and slipping) lead in places like Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. And because polls show overwhelming resistance to non-enforcement of immigration law, Obama also figures that the minority who supports his recent action does so far more vehemently than the majority who opposes it. Time will tell; but my gut feeling is that his brazen act will enrage far more than it will delight — and for a variety of different reasons. As with all his special-interest efforts — the Keystone cancellation, war-on-women ploy, gay-marriage turnabout, and now de facto amnesty — Obama believes dividing Americans along class, ethnic, gender, and cultural lines will result in a cobbled together majority, far more preferable than a 1996 Clinton-like effort to win over the independents by forging a bipartisan consensus.

    Are We in Revolutionary Times? - By Victor Davis Hanson - The Corner - National Review Online
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The bottom line question that should be asked here is this, Has Obama overstepped his authority in waiving his magic pen and declaring this subverting the authority of congress? And, Are we in Revolutionary times?

    Victor Davis Hanson thinks so....



    This current administration is not only the most arrogant in history, but IMHO, the most dangerous to our Constitution, and way of life.

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    If he is re-elected will there be impeachment hearings?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The bottom line question that should be asked here is this, Has Obama overstepped his authority in waiving his magic pen and declaring this subverting the authority of congress? And, Are we in Revolutionary times?

    Victor Davis Hanson thinks so....



    This current administration is not only the most arrogant in history, but IMHO, the most dangerous to our Constitution, and way of life.

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    Well, it's not like he issued a signing statement saying that he intends to ignore the law. Seems to me conservatives didn't have a problem with this between 2000 and 2008.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    I'm wondering why Romney still hasn't come out saying that he would reverse this decision.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    one thing and one thing only attracts illegals to the USA: JOBS
    But some of those "jobs" are in organized crime and terrorism. ;-)
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