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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    and..........?
    Yes I have heard that stat. Increased border security is debatable. This administration has increased deportation.
    Yet how many illegal aliens remain?
    A lot remain, and always will until we reform the system. That will never happen if we insist on achieving an impossible goal before we fix the system.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A lot remain, and always will until we reform the system. That will never happen if we insist on achieving an impossible goal before we fix the system.
    Here is a clue. As long as a person can enter illegally into the US and stay without significant penality, no "system " will work.
    Just heard an interview on the news regarding the "order" from an illegal alien. They think the US should change the system to make them all legal. They hope to someday be able to vote to do just that. Yea, open borders

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Here is a clue. As long as a person can enter illegally into the US and stay without significant penality, no "system " will work.
    Just heard an interview on the news regarding the "order" from an illegal alien. They think the US should change the system to make them all legal. They hope to someday be able to vote to do just that. Yea, open borders
    Obviously there is a deterrent effect or these kids wouldn't be so thrilled with change.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obviously there is a deterrent effect or these kids wouldn't be so thrilled with change.
    Doesn't your Chicago office have something a bit more original to use?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Here is a clue. As long as a person can enter illegally into the US and stay without significant penality, no "system " will work.
    Just heard an interview on the news regarding the "order" from an illegal alien. They think the US should change the system to make them all legal. They hope to someday be able to vote to do just that. Yea, open borders
    Its not that there is no significant penalty its the fact the government refuses to do anything about it. An illegal alien can go on national tv admit they are here illegally and the authorities do not do anything despite a confession on national tv.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Obviously there is a deterrent effect or these kids wouldn't be so thrilled with change.
    Good grief. that is a pretty crazy statement. What deterrent if they remained (parents and kids) in the US. We still have illegal aliens entering daily. Though not as much (economic down turn). They are just reliefed so they can apply for a legal work card.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its not that there is no significant penalty its the fact the government refuses to do anything about it. An illegal alien can go on national tv admit they are here illegally and the authorities do not do anything despite a confession on national tv.
    True. It amazes me how some justify not enforcing our immigration laws. The change they seem to want will do us no good.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    the best way to stop illegal immigration, is to significantly increase the fines & prison terms for hiring illegals, and to require ALL employable folks in the USA carry a drivers license or some other card that has info regarding their citizenship or immigration status.

    as long as folks refuse things like REAL ID, and other centralized & uniform id programs, the problem will just continue.

    anyone who knowningly hires an illegal alien should go to prison for a minimum of 5 years..and pay a $25,000 fine per each illegal they hire.

    anyone who hires an illegal alien because they failed to check their status, should pay a $5,000 fine per each illegal.

    inact these laws, and things will change.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    I heard something funny on MSNBC this morning. A lady was talking about employers paying illegal immigrants less money and she said, "I want undocumented workers to know that they can take this to court. It's against the law to pay less than minimum wage!" Okay.... and it's not against the law for the person to sneak into the US or the employer to hire them? Oy.


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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I heard something funny on MSNBC this morning. A lady was talking about employers paying illegal immigrants less money and she said, "I want undocumented workers to know that they can take this to court. It's against the law to pay less than minimum wage!" Okay.... and it's not against the law for the person to sneak into the US or the employer to hire them? Oy.
    Did this person happen to be a caller or something?
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