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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    The reality is that the right wing made immigration reform impossible. You can't possibly solve the problem with enforcement only, but anything that isn't a purely enforcement based solution makes the right wingers go bonkers. They're so hysterical and irrational about it that they've made the whole issue untouchable for Congress. Enough Democrats in swing states fear the attacks of the right wing nuts that they won't do it and virtually no Republicans are willing to do anything about illegal immigration at all. So, Obama was the only guy in a position to do anything to address it. ICE has finite resources. Wasting them going after college kids and whatnot would just be idiotic. Continuing to refocus ICE on the highest priorities is a substantial step in the right direction. A lot of people who never did anything wrong can sleep a lot easier tonight, and the folks who did something wrong will sleep less easily knowing that ICE is now freed up to focus more of its resources on them.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Not sure if it's been mentioned yet...but did anyone catch Romney's surprising response to this?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You realize that we're experiencing significant NEGATIVE immigration under Obama, right? And over all, Obama has increased border security and has deported more illegals relative to his predecessor.
    The negative immigration is due to the fact they can't find jobs either in the Obamanomics economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    The negative immigration is due to the fact they can't find jobs either in the Obamanomics economy.
    So it has nothing to do with stepped up enforcement and border security. That would indicate to me that there's no point in further boosting enforcement and border security, because those efforts have NO effect.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So it has nothing to do with stepped up enforcement and border security. That would indicate to me that there's no point in further boosting enforcement and border security, because those efforts have NO effect.
    Fences without guns, keep a small portion of people out but those determined to cut or jump the fence will do so. If there are no jobs across the fence, no money across the fence or other negatives, that is further disincentive to cross said fence. Common sense.

    Now, if there were guns on the fence every 500 yards, and the will to shoot anyone crossing the fence (hypothetically speaking) then I'd venture to guess little to no one would be crossing, but we're not East Germany or North Korea --- well.... at least to most sane people we are not.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    First of all Reagan started this immigration mess...he gave over a million of them pure outright amnesty and were talking adults that ran over the border...the GOP donors needed cheap labor to dilute the work force back then.
    Since then just what has the GOP done to stop immigration. Bush wanted to give them ALL amnesty. So stop with the righteous indignaton and supreme hypocrisy you conservatives...Your guys have been MUCH WORSE. Having said that, I believe Obama has a made a grave mistake doing this and coming out about Gay Marriage. This election is too close to be catering to small interest groups...I now believe hes going to lose this election and at best he made it much HARDER for himself...this will not help him

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You realize that we're experiencing significant NEGATIVE immigration under Obama, right? And over all, Obama has increased border security and has deported more illegals relative to his predecessor.
    and..........?
    Yes I have heard that stat. Increased border security is debatable. This administration has increased deportation.
    Yet how many illegal aliens remain?

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Likre jobs are not hard enough to find in things like construction, we need guest workers like we need a stick in the eye.

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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and how do you suggest we find them all?
    We don't need to find them all. We can first get the ones that are out flaunting the fact they are here illegally.

    As for the ones not out in the open flaunting the fact they are here illegally we can discourage them to leave. We can require that you must present a birth certificate , green card or a certificate of naturalization in order to get a photo ID and to renew it. Then we require that parents need a state issued ID in order to enroll their kids into school, get tax payer funded services, to open a bank account, to cash a check, to wire money, to get and or cash a money order, to rent buy sell and or use property, that you must have a state issued driver's license and insurance in order to get a car.Require police verify the legal status of anyone they pull over, not just suspected individuals. Severely crack down on the scum hiring illegals,throw them in prison and make them subject to assets seizure and forfeiture upon a guilty conviction, and permanently deny them business licenses.
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    Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    First of all Reagan started this immigration mess...he gave over a million of them pure outright amnesty and were talking adults that ran over the border...the GOP donors needed cheap labor to dilute the work force back then.
    Since then just what has the GOP done to stop immigration. Bush wanted to give them ALL amnesty. So stop with the righteous indignaton and supreme hypocrisy you conservatives...Your guys have been MUCH WORSE. Having said that, I believe Obama has a made a grave mistake doing this and coming out about Gay Marriage. This election is too close to be catering to small interest groups...I now believe hes going to lose this election and at best he made it much HARDER for himself...this will not help him
    Conservatives were just as pissed when Bush was trying to pass Amnesty and I am pretty sure they were pissed when Reagan passed amnesty.BTW conservative doesn't Republican nor does Republican equal conservative.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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