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Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends power

Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

You have two power bases in Egypt right now - the organized Islamists, and the military. The Islamists want to go to war with Israel, the military leadership doesn't. One of the two will be in charge, and that will determine whether or not they enter into hostilities.

The military of Egypt, I think, now see's itself as playing a similar role to that of the military of Turkey.
 
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Well.... the last time Egypt attacked Israel was just shy of 40 years ago... so... um... I dunno I live in todays world.

hell hell's bells. I've never been blown up by a grenade. I guess I can pull this pin in absolute safety - I live in today's world.

If Egypt tries, Israel will wipe them out.

No, it will not. It will effectively destroy much of the Egyptian attack, before the Egyptian military leadership overthrows and murders the political leadership and brokers an end to the war. The international community would have a collective hysterical heart attack were Israel to actually "wipe out" an opposing force.

But I can't help get the feeling people like you would love nothing more than for Egypt

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1) You harbor anti-Islamic sentiment, so you'll get to make some hay out of that.

:shrug: you hate jews. It's clear because you don't take Islamists claims of their intents at face value that you, just like Hitler, are an anti-semite.

Oh :doh Wait. That's a really stupid argument

2) Then you'll be able to say "Yeah Obama you should have... um... stopped mubaruk from being Overthrown! You handed Egypt over to the Islamists!"

Not really. If you want to scroll back, you will see that I was upset at the time for our lack of early public support for the anti-Mubarak movement.

Feel free to go do some research and come back here not sounding like a spiteful small-minded fool.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

So conservatives believe in democracy......unless it doesn't go their way, then dictatorships are ok.

Gotta love them hypocrites.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

So conservatives believe in democracy......unless it doesn't go their way, then dictatorships are ok.

Gotta love them hypocrites.

The Nazis were democratically elected, too.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

They were ultra-conservatives.

In today's world, The Islamic brotherhood look to have won the Presidency, but the military council, who last week closed down the elected Parliament, have today removed some presidential powers and given themselves jobs for life, by unilateral decree. THERE's conservatism in action. There'll be no messy democracy nonsense while they remain in charge.
 
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Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

The Nazis were democratically elected, too.

So you are against democracy and for military dictatorships. Got it, thanks for that clarification.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

So you are against democracy and for military dictatorships. Got it, thanks for that clarification.

You're a big supporter of democracies such as the one in North Korea? Awesome vision of "democracy" you got their. Thanks for letting us know what you really think about democracy.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

You're a big supporter of democracies such as the one in North Korea? Awesome vision of "democracy" you got their. Thanks for letting us know what you really think about democracy.

Well since you hate democracy so much why are you in the U.S.? Shouldn't you be in a nice country that has a dictator?
 
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In today's world, The Islamic brotherhood look to have won the Presidency, but the military council, who last week closed down the elected Parliament, have today removed some presidential powers and given themselves jobs for life, by unilateral decree. THERE's conservatism in action. There'll be no messy democracy nonsense while they remain in charge.

The Muslim Brotherhood ideology does not represent human rights or democratic ideals. They seek to have sharia law in every corner and crevice of society.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

The Muslim Brotherhood ideology does not represent human rights or democratic ideals. They seek to have sharia law in every corner and crevice of society.

Do you think a military dictatorship represents human rights or democratic ideals?
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Do you think a military dictatorship represents human rights or democratic ideals?

I never said it did. The poster I was responding to inferred that the MB did by his assertion, "there'll be no messy democracy nonsense while they[military] remain in charge". The Muslim Brotherhood does not, "we will not give any concessions on a genuine, true democracy”. Egypt
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

They were ultra-conservatives.

Sorry were not goona let this ole wise tale get thrown out there, Naziism is just another brand of socialism with Nationalistic views. If you knew anything about the early days of Hitler and who he hung out with (see Ernst Rohm) you'd realize that Hitlers had many left leaning views. Todays right winger is associated with Free market Capitalism, religion and the rights of the individual as opposed to collectivism. None of which was embraced by the Nazi regime.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Do you think a military dictatorship represents human rights or democratic ideals?
I'll ask you the same question.... Do you think the Muslim brotherhood represents human rights or democratic ideals...... is Sharia law in your mind a democratic ideal? Then we have the peace treaty with Israel which the Brotherhood Leadership says will be scrapped probably leading to another war with Israel in which Egypt will once again be humiliated. Then there are the coptic christians who will suffer greatly under the brutality of the brotherhood.

No I think the country and the world for that matter will be in much better shape keeping peace with Israel, leaving the copts alone and continuing to collect there annual billion dollars from the U.S.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

In today's world, The Islamic brotherhood look to have won the Presidency, but the military council, who last week closed down the elected Parliament, have today removed some presidential powers and given themselves jobs for life, by unilateral decree. THERE's conservatism in action. There'll be no messy democracy nonsense while they remain in charge.
Another totally ignorant statement by Manc Skipper, by my estimates the Brotherhood is far more (religiously & socially) conservative than the military.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

So conservatives believe in democracy......unless it doesn't go their way, then dictatorships are ok.

I wouldn't say I'm in favor of this. There isn't really a "win" for Democracy in this contest. The Muslim Brotherhood are no more fans of Democracy than are military dictatorships. They will use them to gain power, sure. One (Muslim) Man, One Vote, Once. After that... remember that in political Islam, the people are not sovereign. The translation of "Islam" is "submission". For them to want to rule is to rebel against Allah.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Another totally ignorant statement by Manc Skipper, by my estimates the Brotherhood is far more (religiously & socially) conservative than the military.

Well the problem really is that he is attempting to apply Western labels to groups who do not neatly fit into them. What is "conservative" in Egypt? Is it conserving the military power base that has ruled the country since Nasser overthrew the government set up by the Brits? Is it enforcing Sharia law, which wasn't culturally powerful 50 years ago, but has instead much older roots?

Economically, there isn't dramatic difference, with exception for some Sharia law compliance issues with regards to interest rates. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to go to war with Israel, the generals don't. Are the Generals the liberals there because they are anti-war? Or are they the conservatives because they don't emphasize anti-semitism?

The funny thing about this thread is, the Generals are, as near as you can apply a Western label, more "liberal" than the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet here you have folks ranting about Conservative takeovers. As though "I don't like it" equals "it must therefore be conservative". :lol:
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Sorry were not goona let this ole wise tale get thrown out there, Naziism is just another brand of socialism with Nationalistic views. If you knew anything about the early days of Hitler and who he hung out with (see Ernst Rohm) you'd realize that Hitlers had many left leaning views.

Fascism is a right-winger view.

Todays right winger is associated with Free market Capitalism, religion and the rights of the individual as opposed to collectivism. None of which was embraced by the Nazi regime.

Individual rights? :lamo Yeah, that's why all the right wingers are for gay marriage right? Gimme a break.

Right-wingers love to re-write history.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

I wouldn't say I'm in favor of this. There isn't really a "win" for Democracy in this contest. The Muslim Brotherhood are no more fans of Democracy than are military dictatorships. They will use them to gain power, sure. One (Muslim) Man, One Vote, Once. After that... remember that in political Islam, the people are not sovereign. The translation of "Islam" is "submission". For them to want to rule is to rebel against Allah.


No, there isn't a win situation out of all of this. However, given the fact we say we promote freedom and voting it is the people of Egypt that should decide their fate and that is what they have done by voting. Supporting a military dictatorship goes against everything we are telling the world when we say "let the people decide".
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

They were ultra-conservatives.

Politically speaking, they weren't. Nazis believed in a welfare state with a large central government. Doesn't sound very conservative, to me.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Well since you hate democracy so much why are you in the U.S.? Shouldn't you be in a nice country that has a dictator?

Thank you for letting us know that you are a huge supporter of communist oppression.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

Fascism is a right-winger view.



Individual rights? :lamo Yeah, that's why all the right wingers are for gay marriage right? Gimme a break.

Right-wingers love to re-write history.

C'mon, man! You're smarter than that.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

The Muslim Brotherhood wants to go to war with Israel, the generals don't. Are the Generals the liberals there because they are anti-war? Or are they the conservatives because they don't emphasize anti-semitism?

The Generals aren't anti-war per se, they're just anti-unwinnable war.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

No, there isn't a win situation out of all of this. However, given the fact we say we promote freedom and voting it is the people of Egypt that should decide their fate and that is what they have done by voting. Supporting a military dictatorship goes against everything we are telling the world when we say "let the people decide".

I would tend to agree, understanding that that means that the People of Egypt will probably vote to go to war with Israel, whom we will and should then support (they didn't vote to go to war against Egypt). Hopefully they will get smashed enough to discredit their cause - that seems to be the trend over the last three quarters of a century.

The trick will be threading the needle to get the military to be enough of a counterbalance to force the Muslim Brotherhood to hold and answer to elections after the war, while keeping them from simply re-taking power as a Junta.
 
Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

That Arab spring is something else huh? Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood will sort it all out for the better.


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