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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So conservatives believe in democracy......unless it doesn't go their way, then dictatorships are ok.
    I wouldn't say I'm in favor of this. There isn't really a "win" for Democracy in this contest. The Muslim Brotherhood are no more fans of Democracy than are military dictatorships. They will use them to gain power, sure. One (Muslim) Man, One Vote, Once. After that... remember that in political Islam, the people are not sovereign. The translation of "Islam" is "submission". For them to want to rule is to rebel against Allah.

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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Another totally ignorant statement by Manc Skipper, by my estimates the Brotherhood is far more (religiously & socially) conservative than the military.
    Well the problem really is that he is attempting to apply Western labels to groups who do not neatly fit into them. What is "conservative" in Egypt? Is it conserving the military power base that has ruled the country since Nasser overthrew the government set up by the Brits? Is it enforcing Sharia law, which wasn't culturally powerful 50 years ago, but has instead much older roots?

    Economically, there isn't dramatic difference, with exception for some Sharia law compliance issues with regards to interest rates. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to go to war with Israel, the generals don't. Are the Generals the liberals there because they are anti-war? Or are they the conservatives because they don't emphasize anti-semitism?

    The funny thing about this thread is, the Generals are, as near as you can apply a Western label, more "liberal" than the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet here you have folks ranting about Conservative takeovers. As though "I don't like it" equals "it must therefore be conservative".

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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Sorry were not goona let this ole wise tale get thrown out there, Naziism is just another brand of socialism with Nationalistic views. If you knew anything about the early days of Hitler and who he hung out with (see Ernst Rohm) you'd realize that Hitlers had many left leaning views.
    Fascism is a right-winger view.

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    Todays right winger is associated with Free market Capitalism, religion and the rights of the individual as opposed to collectivism. None of which was embraced by the Nazi regime.
    Individual rights? Yeah, that's why all the right wingers are for gay marriage right? Gimme a break.

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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I wouldn't say I'm in favor of this. There isn't really a "win" for Democracy in this contest. The Muslim Brotherhood are no more fans of Democracy than are military dictatorships. They will use them to gain power, sure. One (Muslim) Man, One Vote, Once. After that... remember that in political Islam, the people are not sovereign. The translation of "Islam" is "submission". For them to want to rule is to rebel against Allah.

    No, there isn't a win situation out of all of this. However, given the fact we say we promote freedom and voting it is the people of Egypt that should decide their fate and that is what they have done by voting. Supporting a military dictatorship goes against everything we are telling the world when we say "let the people decide".

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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    They were ultra-conservatives.
    Politically speaking, they weren't. Nazis believed in a welfare state with a large central government. Doesn't sound very conservative, to me.
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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well since you hate democracy so much why are you in the U.S.? Shouldn't you be in a nice country that has a dictator?
    Thank you for letting us know that you are a huge supporter of communist oppression.
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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Fascism is a right-winger view.



    Individual rights? Yeah, that's why all the right wingers are for gay marriage right? Gimme a break.

    Right-wingers love to re-write history.
    C'mon, man! You're smarter than that.
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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Muslim Brotherhood wants to go to war with Israel, the generals don't. Are the Generals the liberals there because they are anti-war? Or are they the conservatives because they don't emphasize anti-semitism?
    The Generals aren't anti-war per se, they're just anti-unwinnable war.
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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, there isn't a win situation out of all of this. However, given the fact we say we promote freedom and voting it is the people of Egypt that should decide their fate and that is what they have done by voting. Supporting a military dictatorship goes against everything we are telling the world when we say "let the people decide".
    I would tend to agree, understanding that that means that the People of Egypt will probably vote to go to war with Israel, whom we will and should then support (they didn't vote to go to war against Egypt). Hopefully they will get smashed enough to discredit their cause - that seems to be the trend over the last three quarters of a century.

    The trick will be threading the needle to get the military to be enough of a counterbalance to force the Muslim Brotherhood to hold and answer to elections after the war, while keeping them from simply re-taking power as a Junta.

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    Re: Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends powe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That Arab spring is something else huh? Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood will sort it all out for the better.

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