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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Oklahoma has been an oil state for awhile now, the boom/bust cycle of oil/gas isn't something to base long term budgets on. Alaska is different because the oil is plentiful, the population slight, 1 million or so in the entire state, and the kickback from the feds amazing. Alaska is a true socialist state.

    I can see where a few right wingnuts see property tax as renting from the state. But the real deal is the tax pays for schools, roads, emts and fire depts. If a fellow can't make the property tax payment he has far more financial trouble than just the tax. Around here the very old complain about property taxes, they don't have kids in the school system and they think the gravel roads are maintained by magic. They don't like the sheriff's deputies, and think the ambulance service is done by volunteers and the annual calf fry pays all the operating costs.

    Here in Oklahoma we have seen the boom bust of oil. While we didn't work it out 100% the surplus going into our rainy day fund is more to the point than cutting off revenue while times are good to have no reserve when times are lean.

    It is good to see N.D. is smarter than the average anti-govt/tax teabag whiner. Create a rainy day fund because oil royalties, and taxes are like a hooker's promise.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oklahoma has been an oil state for awhile now, the boom/bust cycle of oil/gas isn't something to base long term budgets on. Alaska is different because the oil is plentiful, the population slight, 1 million or so in the entire state, and the kickback from the feds amazing. Alaska is a true socialist state.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This kind of prosperity could be going on across America if Obama wasn’t so anti fossil fuel and blue states that use so much fossil fuel wouldn’t refuse to drill in their own back yards. We could be in a boom instead of a bust, nice work left wingers
    Prove Obama is "anti fossil fuel". I'm not taking a partisan poster's word for it. Then perhaps try to back up your hairbrained notion that if King Obama ordered more oil drilling we'd somehow have a booming economy. Again, not taking a partisan poster's word for it. Also, wtf does this have to do with North Dakota's property taxes?

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    North Dakota voters will decide Tuesday on the ultimate tax revolt: abolishing the property tax altogether. A citizen-led petition drive has put the daring, all-or-nothing proposal before the voters in a state flush with tax revenue, jobs and prosperity generated by an oil boom.

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    Don't let this knock you views into a tizzy but... me, a crazy hard-core left winger doesn't like property taxes either.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Prove Obama is "anti fossil fuel". I'm not taking a partisan poster's word for it.
    President Obama has made it pretty clear he's anti fossil fuel. Despite a technological explosion that has allowed us to access more of previous deposits and get at new ones in ingenious methods that reduce environmental impact, drilling on federal lands has decreased at the rapid rate as his administration chokes the permit process. All that new drilling he takes credit for is taking place on private lands where they are more willing to take advantage of the new tech and methodologies. From the Gulf ban, to Alaska, to Fracking, to his energy secretary, the administration has made it pretty clear that it seeks ways to move us from fossil fuel to "clean new green" energy by subsidizing the new and tightening the spigot on the old.

    As a single small example, Obama's Justice Department sued a bunch of companies in North Dakota to temporarily shut down fracking last year, claiming that roughly 25-30 birds had died in their reserve pits, and this was in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Mind you, an estimated 33,000 birds are killed by wind turbines every year... yet the administration, apparently, didn't want to sue them.... President Obama told Harold Hamm (CEO of Continental Resources) that "he sees essentially no future for oil and gas." So Hamm signed on instead as an energy adviser to Mitt Romney. The Obama Administration now accuses Romney of "standing with Big Oil" .

    Then perhaps try to back up your hairbrained notion that if King Obama ordered more oil drilling we'd somehow have a booming economy.
    Booming like North Dakota? No. But we would have a much better economy. Oil Jobs pay above the American average, and hire the same blue-collar workers that have taken the brunt end of the recession. You know one of the things they need most in North Dakota right now? Housing Construction workers. Truck Drivers are pulling in between $80-120,000 a year with generous benefits. And they are paying taxes, too. The reason for this thread is that North Dakota has more money right now than it fully knows what to do with, and increased revenues would occur at the national level as well - not only from the companies, but from the workers who would go from being net drains on the system via unemployment to being net payers into the system; a double win.

    Fortunately, Romney (despite his many ideological sins) is no idiot. He knows if he wins, he needs to produce some dramatic improvements in about two to three years to demonstrate that his selling message (that he is the competent business guy who specializes in turning around failing enterprises) was accurate and win reelection. Shifting the Executive Branch into high-octane enabling of the energy sector rather than seeking to choke it off is one of the ways to help do that, and I would bet he knows it.

    People talk about Saudi Arabia, but America is actually the energy king of the world - we have more here at home than anywhere else, and yet we're buying more expensively than we need to from everyone else.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    President Obama has made it pretty clear he's anti fossil fuel. Despite a technological explosion that has allowed us to access more of previous deposits and get at new ones in ingenious methods that reduce environmental impact, drilling on federal lands has decreased at the rapid rate as his administration chokes the permit process. All that new drilling he takes credit for is taking place on private lands where they are more willing to take advantage of the new tech and methodologies. From the Gulf ban, to Alaska, to Fracking, to his energy secretary, the administration has made it pretty clear that it seeks ways to move us from fossil fuel to "clean new green" energy by subsidizing the new and tightening the spigot on the old.

    As a single small example, Obama's Justice Department sued a bunch of companies in North Dakota to temporarily shut down fracking last year, claiming that roughly 25-30 birds had died in their reserve pits, and this was in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Mind you, an estimated 33,000 birds are killed by wind turbines every year... yet the administration, apparently, didn't want to sue them.... President Obama told Harold Hamm (CEO of Continental Resources) that "he sees essentially no future for oil and gas." So Hamm signed on instead as an energy adviser to Mitt Romney. The Obama Administration now accuses Romney of "standing with Big Oil" .



    Booming like North Dakota? No. But we would have a much better economy. Oil Jobs pay above the American average, and hire the same blue-collar workers that have taken the brunt end of the recession. You know one of the things they need most in North Dakota right now? Housing Construction workers. Truck Drivers are pulling in between $80-120,000 a year with generous benefits. And they are paying taxes, too. The reason for this thread is that North Dakota has more money right now than it fully knows what to do with, and increased revenues would occur at the national level as well - not only from the companies, but from the workers who would go from being net drains on the system via unemployment to being net payers into the system; a double win.

    Fortunately, Romney (despite his many ideological sins) is no idiot. He knows if he wins, he needs to produce some dramatic improvements in about two to three years to demonstrate that his selling message (that he is the competent business guy who specializes in turning around failing enterprises) was accurate and win reelection. Shifting the Executive Branch into high-octane enabling of the energy sector rather than seeking to choke it off is one of the ways to help do that, and I would bet he knows it.

    People talk about Saudi Arabia, but America is actually the energy king of the world - we have more here at home than anywhere else, and yet we're buying more expensively than we need to from everyone else.
    If you are here to blame Obama for fighting drilling for oil blah blah blah... then explain why drilling has increased under his watch.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    The reason for this thread is that North Dakota has more money right now than it fully knows what to do with...
    Again, no, we don't, and yes we know what we would like to do with the funds we wish we could fully hold onto, but will not and cannot.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    property taxes are infinitely more just than income taxes... so yeah, they should have shot for getting rid of income taxes

    a missed opportunity for sure...
    I don't know about that.

    I think it would be fairer to allow poor people who own their home to continue to own it instead of constantly paying taxes on it.

    I have no problem with property taxes for commercial, industrial, or agricultural purposes, but I'm against property taxes for residential areas. Or maybe just put property taxes on residential areas if you own more than one home.
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    I'm not against property taxes, but they do need to be held in check with limits on how much they are allowed to be increased. If property taxes get too high, it increases neighborhood blight. For instance, what incentive would one have to improve their property, which already has outrageous property taxes, if improving the property would cause the taxes to go even higher, via a higher assessed value?
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    If you are here to blame Obama for fighting drilling for oil blah blah blah... then explain why drilling has increased under his watch.
    Already done, over and over. The increased drilling has taken place on private and state land where Obama has no control.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Already done, over and over. The increased drilling has taken place on private and state land where Obama has no control.
    Bottom line: Obama hasn't done much to affect drilling on federal land one way or another, vis a vis Bush, with the exception of the temporary response to the Gulf spill.
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