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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It is also an unfair tax because people that rent get a free ride.
    In what way do renters get a free ride? You don't think landlords factor the cost of the property taxes, and then some, into the rent?

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    In what way do renters get a free ride? You don't think landlords factor the cost of the property taxes, and then some, into the rent?
    I have been a landlord and unfortuanately will soon be again because I'm not selling in this depressed market. I charged whatever the going rate was for my houses. When housing prices were going up and houses were being built all over town rent was going down, the old supply demand thing. At the same time my prop taxes were going up so in answer to your question no. prop taxes are not figured in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have been a landlord and unfortuanately will soon be again because I'm not selling in this depressed market. I charged whatever the going rate was for my houses. When housing prices were going up and houses were being built all over town rent was going down, the old supply demand thing. At the same time my prop taxes were going up so in answer to your question no. prop taxes are not figured in.
    Well that's not very smart landlording, with all due respect. What's the point? I've owned rental properties and always factored in the property taxes into my tenants' rent. That's why I increased the rent annually. If I was unable to do that, there would have been no point in renting out the property.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I would be thinking about what money I could make, and where I could retire when the boom was over. That plot of land just over the hill you always had your eye on.
    Agreed. While working on a survey project in NW North Dakota many years ago, I had a conversation with a local farmer who had just built a new house with a picture window overlooking the oil well in his front yard. That well was putting $3,000 a month into his bank account, and that was pretty good money in the seventies. In fact I have a neighbor now who owns land near Williston, and he is indeed now thinking about where to retire.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I wish people would do a better job of supporting their points. Please explain why property taxes are infinitely more just than income taxes.
    Local services - police and fire protection, schools, libraries, garbage collection, and the like - work best when they are under local control and responsive to the needs of the community they serve. Local control can only be guaranteed when the services are locally funded. Since the local services - particularly in largely rural areas like North Dakota - are essentially services to the property owner, it makes sense to use property taxes to fund those services. On a county or municipal level, property taxes are much easier to administer than income taxes, although some places also use sales taxes of one sort or another if they think they have enough tourist traffic to make it worthwhile.

    The prospect of every county and city in the state descending on the state capitol to petition the legislature for money to buy new vehicles, hire more personnel and erect new buildings --- that's the stuff of nightmares for the taxpayers. The greater the degree of separation between the taxpayer and the expenditure of public money, the more waste, fraud and abuse creeps into the system.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Trouble is Fiddytree, you never have local control. They are controled by the local rich people and the 99% will never get control over the taxes or the spending.
    All you can do is avoid the taxes and their attempt at controling your money.

    The real answer is to tax the rich 80% like in the past.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am against property tax on principle. Property tax means you really don’t own your property, the state does. It is also an unfair tax because people that rent get a free ride. In the depression many lost their homes where they could have had a garden, chickens etc. and ended up in soup lines because they couldn’t pay their taxes. The same is happening now; people are homeless because they couldn’t pay the state. It is no better than the feudal system and makes us serfs.
    Property tax is not what means you don't own your property. Fee simple does that.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Trouble is Fiddytree, you never have local control. They are controled by the local rich people and the 99% will never get control over the taxes or the spending.
    All you can do is avoid the taxes and their attempt at controling your money.

    The real answer is to tax the rich 80% like in the past.
    We dealt with our monopolies decades ago.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Local elected cronies are not effected by any monopoly legislation.

    Kind of like the high school that cost $20 million in a small town far from me.
    For a town of 1,000 people, of that say 150 kids.

    They expanded their control territory to include my house that I had specificly bought to avoid them and raised my taxes 40% in 3 years.

    As I said, you NEVER have lcoal contro lnless YOU are the one as grand poo ba of the board.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well that's not very smart landlording, with all due respect. What's the point? I've owned rental properties and always factored in the property taxes into my tenants' rent. That's why I increased the rent annually. If I was unable to do that, there would have been no point in renting out the property.
    The way real estate was going up in price all I cared about was someone making my payments, I did fine when I sold. When it was so easy to buy homes though, no down and bad credit, why rent, so there wasn't that many renters out there which kept rent down. I will soon rent out a house I was getting 750 a month for during the boom for 1000 a month. It's hard to buy now plus people are afraid to buy, rents up.

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