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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    Okay, no emergency responders of any type for that state. No public services of any type. Clever people...not! Thank goodness my state is a "progressive" state!
    You miss the point entirely, there’s a movement to abolish property tax because the state is flooded in money from sales tax . They quite literally have more money than they know what to do with. The point of the op was, wouldn’t it be nice if more states had this kind of prosperity and were making decisions on abolishing certain taxes. If they would harvest resources like ND, many states could be having this same boom which would lift the entire country out of this near depression. On the prop tax issue though, the proponents of abolishing it have an excellent slogan that makes sense, “nobody should become homeless because they can’t pay a tax”.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Property taxes along with income taxes are the most immoral kind.

    With property taxes, we are nothing but serfs to the state who never truly own property.

    Its too bad it didn't pass, but I hope the effort will continue in North Dakota and around the nation.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    good points... and it's what Alaska did when it found itself some prosperity... they did away with the state income tax.
    Horse****. Alaska has oil. Alaska also has the largest debt/unfunded liabilities (pensions and such) vs GDP of all states and Alaska receives the most federal money per capita of all states. Alaska is the Greece of the US, not having enough income locally and depending on money transfers from the other 49 states. That is not prosperity, but living a lie in a dream world, much like the Greeks.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You miss the point entirely, there’s a movement to abolish property tax because the state is flooded in money from sales tax . They quite literally have more money than they know what to do with. The point of the op was, wouldn’t it be nice if more states had this kind of prosperity and were making decisions on abolishing certain taxes. If they would harvest resources like ND, many states could be having this same boom which would lift the entire country out of this near depression. On the prop tax issue though, the proponents of abolishing it have an excellent slogan that makes sense, “nobody should become homeless because they can’t pay a tax”.
    While I am not absolutely sure of the current ND taxation structure, property taxes are USUALLY not a state tax, they are county/school district based local taxes. Sales and income taxes, however are TYPICALLY state taxes. If the state of ND suddenly finds itself "too rich", simply reduce the rate of the "offending" state/county tax, which can easily be raised again should the need arrise. A complete, and drastic, taxation system "overhaul" may not be the "best" answer to a new (and possibly temporary) financial situation.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While I am not absolutely sure of the current ND taxation structure, property taxes are USUALLY not a state tax, they are county/school district based local taxes. Sales and income taxes, however are TYPICALLY state taxes. If the state of ND suddenly finds itself "too rich", simply reduce the rate of the "offending" state/county tax, which can easily be raised again should the need arrise. A complete, and drastic, taxation system "overhaul" may not be the "best" answer to a new (and possibly temporary) financial situation.
    I pay my prop tax to the state, that's who the check is written out to. In a state like ND that has more money coming in than it knows what to do with I would be for aboloshing prop taxes but apparently I am in the minority, as usual. LOL

    I have always resented how the state owns my property, if I don't pay tax on it they sieze it. Complete BS if you ask me. If a man can't own his land then he owns nothing. Freedom is an illusion.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    The government has to spend money that benefits your property. You get protection from crime, assistance from natural disasters, roads that connect up to you, infrastructure for utilities and many other services. Its certainly more equitable to require such costs be shouldered primarily by property owners rather than making other people pay to improve your land.

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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You miss the point entirely, there’s a movement to abolish property tax because the state is flooded in money from sales tax . They quite literally have more money than they know what to do with. The point of the op was, wouldn’t it be nice if more states had this kind of prosperity and were making decisions on abolishing certain taxes. If they would harvest resources like ND, many states could be having this same boom which would lift the entire country out of this near depression. On the prop tax issue though, the proponents of abolishing it have an excellent slogan that makes sense, “nobody should become homeless because they can’t pay a tax”.
    They're doing well because they're sitting on a ton of oil and gas. Not a great model for states that aren't sitting on a ton of oil and gas.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    I don't support abolishing a tax that is designed to pay for services related to the protection and maintenance of my property and my family, which is what property taxes are largely used for.

    If there is a surplus, return it to the citizens in the form of a proportional rebate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You miss the point entirely, there’s a movement to abolish property tax because the state is flooded in money from sales tax . They quite literally have more money than they know what to do with. The point of the op was, wouldn’t it be nice if more states had this kind of prosperity and were making decisions on abolishing certain taxes. If they would harvest resources like ND, many states could be having this same boom which would lift the entire country out of this near depression. On the prop tax issue though, the proponents of abolishing it have an excellent slogan that makes sense, “nobody should become homeless because they can’t pay a tax”.
    We don't have more money than we know what to do with. We have a massive infrastructure problem as a result of the floods and the boom. A Few years ago, I and A majority of the state voted on a measure to have a rainy day fund that would be very difficult to tap into. We have many groups that proclaim they need more funds, flood relief, road construction, a huge housing problem, and anything else you could possibly imagine that would proceed a massive economic and population shift in a state that 10 years ago was concerned its young would leave the state for better opportunities in nearly every field. Consider the fact that we have moved past our peak population of 680k that was set before the aftermath of the Great depression and decreasing farm land.Thereafter we had steadily lost population. North Dakota is changing rapidly and we are trying to keep up, and we aren't doing so hot on that front.

    The property tax removal campaign was an older movement preceding the boom. This time around it just used the boom for justification. It would solve very little and would have created more havoc than it was worth and would end up harming more than making better, as the revenues would have to come through other directions that are neither gurqnteed to remain constant and could do more damage to our wallets than otherwise. Minnesota was bragging about the possibility of benefitting from North Dakota's possible move away from property taxes.
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    Re: North Dakota voters to decide on abolishing property tax

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This kind of prosperity could be going on across America if Obama wasn’t so anti fossil fuel and blue states that use so much fossil fuel wouldn’t refuse to drill in their own back yards. We could be in a boom instead of a bust, nice work left wingers
    Like every state has oil and other natural resources. Think I'll mine for gold in my back yard.

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