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Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Texmex said:
Perhaps he did stop, but the damage was already done.

For what it's worth, I don't care if he beat this man unconscious, took a break, and then finished killing this scum. One thing for sure, this pervert won't be molesting any other children.
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Your decision to use lethal force must be based on what the person is doing at the *precise time*....again at the PRECISE TIME you are actually using lethal force.

If the alleged child molester were to put his hands up, and say I give up, you can't kill him just because of his previous acts.

They must be based on what the BG is doing at the precise moment you apply deadly force.
 
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ric27 said:
Your decision to use lethal force must be based on what the person is doing at the *precise time*....again at the PRECISE TIME you are actually using lethal force.

If the alleged child molester were to put his hands up, and say I give up, you can't kill him just because of his previous acts.

They must be based on what the BG is doing at the precise moment you apply deadly force.
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Well, obviously he didn't put his hands up. :shrug:
 
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Mach said:
Reading the OP link it doesn't sound that sensational, just tragic.

I think we can reasonably tell the difference between hitting someone to get them off your daughter, or beating them well past the point of getting the third person out of harms way. If he knocked him a few good times at it was enough to kill him, that's a tragedy. If the father just sat on the guy pummeling him into an unrecognizeable pulp, he's off into questionable legal territory.

The daughter is best served by parents that keep an eye on her when in secluded situations with other men, and being trained as best as practical to avoid/handle such situations (of which I can't tell in this article). Being prepared to shove a bat up someones ass is far less effective at keeping your children safe. Don't make it out to be so noble to kill people, when the entire goal was to keep his daughter safe. Remember that attitude when your daughter was drunk and stumbled on to some gun-hill-billy's porch at night and gets shot out of "self defense". Priorites people.
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meh, I don't think they should spend too much time splitting hairs over this. The police have not found any evidence that the father acted improperly.
 
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If someone beats his daughter's molester to death it is understandable, but he should go to jail for unlawful homicide. Vigilantism is illegal. Is there anything else to talk about on the matter?
 
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Tomfoolery said:
If someone beats his daughter's molester to death it is understandable, but he should go to jail for unlawful homicide. Vigilantism is illegal. Is there anything else to talk about on the matter?
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You show a profound lack of understanding of both the law, and of morality. Vigilantism? really? Catching (in the act) a man molesting your daughter is vigilantism? ROTFLMAO.. Good thing there are no charges laid or if I were this guy I'd hope and pray dudes like you are not selected for jury duty. :)


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ric27 said:
After hitting repeatedly someone in the head and at some point, the individual is in a semi-unconscious state or no longer a threat....you stop

To continue to beat someone that no longer is a threat...is criminal
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There is such a thing as passion and adrenaline and we dont know how many times he hit him...either way If I found someone sexually abusing my 4 yr old daughter...well...nothing left to say is there
 
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Tomfoolery said:
If someone beats his daughter's molester to death it is understandable, but he should go to jail for unlawful homicide. Vigilantism is illegal. Is there anything else to talk about on the matter?
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Use of lethal force in this instance is completely legal.
 
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Tomfoolery said:
If someone beats his daughter's molester to death it is understandable, but he should go to jail for unlawful homicide. Vigilantism is illegal. Is there anything else to talk about on the matter?
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You're absolutely correct. The problem is, no one will care. The guy will serve no time because the jury will be happy he did what he did. As I'm I.

Sometimes, people do the right thing and ignore the laws of the land.
 
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ric27 said:
After hitting repeatedly someone in the head and at some point, the individual is in a semi-unconscious state or no longer a threat....you stop

To continue to beat someone that no longer is a threat...is criminal
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I can't believe that George Zimmerman's biggest defender would go after this guy.

Would you feel differently if the molester was a "no limit nigga?"
 
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rocket88 said:
I can't believe that George Zimmerman's biggest defender would go after this guy.

Would you feel differently if the molester was a "no limit nigga?"
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GZ only shot once. And stopped after there was no longer a threat.

How is it you could not reason that out for yourself?
 
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Aberration said:
GZ only shot once. And stopped after there was no longer a threat.

How is it you could not reason that out for yourself?
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A gun is a lot more reliable at close range at quelling a threat than fists are.

And all we know is GZ shot first. We don't know if he did anything leading up to that.
 
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rocket88 said:
I can't believe that George Zimmerman's biggest defender would go after this guy.

Would you feel differently if the molester was a "no limit nigga?"
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Is Texas dad who killed man to protect his 5-year-old daughter a criminal? - CSMonitor.com


And there’s another quirk to the case, suggests radio talk show host Geraldo Rivera, a lawyer.

“If he had a weapon and he used it to stop a sexual assault, he would not be indicted, but, ironically, the fact that he didn’t have a weapon leaves him more legally vulnerable than otherwise he would be,” Mr. Rivera told Bill O’Reilly Friday on Fox News. “In this case, you grab him off, now you’ve stopped the sexual assault, but now what are you doing? At what point does prevention of the sex assault become revenge, the implementation of vigilante justice?”
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nota bene said:
The dead molester has been identified. His pants and underwear were down when paramedics arrived, just to offer an idea of what the father saw before he began whaling on the guy.

Man killed when allegedly molesting girl identified | News - Home
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Yet...the GJ will decide what course of action will be taken...

Despite the other factors involved, this is still a homicide investigation," he said.

Harmon said a grand jury will decide what, if any, charges the father will face.
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tessaesque said:
The line in the article where the father asked for medical aid for the guy he caught trying to rape his daughter astounds me.
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Me too. He didn't even realize the creep was dead.
 
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Interesting but sick movie about this sort of thing:

Seven Days

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1) He smashes one of the guy's knees and then stands him up with his hands tied behind his back and a rope around his neck, forcing him to balance until he tires and is forced to either be choked by the rope or put weight on his broken knee.

2) He chain whips the guy.

3) He performs a grisly surgery on the guy after administering a medication that suppresses all motor movement without anesthetizing him or affecting consciousness, so he's awake and can feel everything but can't move any muscle.

4) He ultimately castrates the guy.

5) He lets him live, in the end, despite the guy doing everything he can to anger the dad enough to actually kill him.

It's basically torture porn, at some parts strikes you as just sick and unnecessary, but by the end I found it sort of fascinating. Not a feel good movie by any means.


The closest thing I've ever done to this sort of protection/revenge was when a big husky/chow went into kill mode on my little geriatric poodle that I've had for 17 years. Big swift kick right across the head stopped his attack and he was hurting pretty badly, and I felt sad to have had to be so violent to an animal, but it was pretty much an automatic response.

Can't imagine I'd have done anything different than this guy. Instinct takes over. Sexually assaulting a child in its parent's vicinity might as well be a suicide attempt.
 
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Lokiate said:
The only issue I can imagine prosecutors having is the method, i.e. beating him to death, but imo, that sick piece of **** got off easy compared to what he deserved. A 4 year old girl? Jesus ****ing Christ. I'll support any law that allows the execution of convicted child rapists.
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Unfortunately, our 'conservative' SCOTUS banned execution for child rapists.

IMO, they were wrong to do so.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Texmex said:
Perhaps he did stop, but the damage was already done.

For what it's worth, I don't care if he beat this man unconscious, took a break, and then finished killing this scum. One thing for sure, this pervert won't be molesting any other children.
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To be honest, I am torn on the issue. On the one hand, the man who was beaten to death was a monster, and he deserved it. on the other hand, in America, everybody deserves a trial in the courts. Of course, if it were my daughter, I would have gone ballistic too, and it would have been hard to resist beating the punk to death. But we have to try to keep our American values. If we don't, then it's a long slippery slope from beating a single molester to death to becoming a nation with no Catholic priests. :mrgreen:
 
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No bill asap
 
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danarhea said:
To be honest, I am torn on the issue. On the one hand, the man who was beaten to death was a monster, and he deserved it. on the other hand, in America, everybody deserves a trial in the courts. Of course, if it were my daughter, I would have gone ballistic too, and it would have been hard to resist beating the punk to death. But we have to try to keep our American values. If we don't, then it's a long slippery slope from beating a single molester to death to becoming a nation with no Catholic priests. :mrgreen:
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Everybody deserves a day with the Grand Jury. Which this case will see. I think it'd be a perversion of justice for the Grand Jury to rule there's reason, and evidence, to send this case to a trial on criminal charges.
 
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Tomfoolery said:
If someone beats his daughter's molester to death it is understandable, but he should go to jail for unlawful homicide. Vigilantism is illegal. Is there anything else to talk about on the matter?
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Vigilantism is the intentional hunting down of presumed criminals, and dealing with them "outside" the law.


To me, it seems like this dad hit him with a hook that knocked the guys lights out...for good. Hit someone just right, and they'll die. I don't think he was TRYING to kill him. At most, this fella could be brought up on assault? And even then, that's kinda thin. Don't want to be assaulted in this country? Simple. Don't molest someone's daughter...in THEIR OWN HOUSE.
 
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That's what I like about this story. The scumbag won't be molesting any more kids, and I am happy that he got killed. However, my feelings kind of fly in the face of the 6th Amendment. And here is my point. Even though the perp is pure scum, what's to stop someone else who, say, hates his neighbor, from killing him and then telling the police that the neighbor he hated was molesting his kids? That's the reason we have courts, and due process. So, while I am pleased as punch that the perp got what was coming to him, this story troubles me. This is not Iran. This is America.
 
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If I walked in on something like that, I would probably do the exact same thing. If I went to jail for doing it, so be it.
 
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