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    Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The death was not intended. Beating the phucker off his daughter and protecting her was the intent.

    Even if the father had grabbed a baseball bat and used the attackers head as a target I don't see why it'd be an issue.
    The father's daughter was being raped.
    Any use of any force to immediately STOP that attack is/was warranted.
    Was it actually RAPE? Actual penile insertion? Molestation is different from rape...

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    Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Kicking him in the face to stop the action and then sitting on him while someone else at the party call 911? Tackle him and hog tie him? Pimp slap him and lock him in the bathroom? THere are countless option that don't include beating someone to death, you want all of them?

    I doubt the molester would've kept going once the father entered the room. Molestations are terrible, terrible things but frankly, they generally do not put the child in IMMEDIATE danger of serious bodily harm or death. Beating a man to death is just getting immediate revenge, IMO.
    You're assuming reasoning when reacting was what was going on . (And I'm guessing that you aren't a parent yet. Correct?) The father's intent was not to beat the pervert to death; in fact, he didn't even know the guy was dead until he was told.

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    Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Was it actually RAPE? Actual penile insertion? Molestation is different from rape...
    You're frightening.

    SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A grand jury next week will consider whether to file charges against a Texas father who said he beat to death a man who was attempting to sexually assault his 5-year-old daughter, the district attorney for Lavaca County said on Friday.

    A witness saw Jesus Flores, 47, "forcibly" carrying the girl to a secluded location and notified her 23-year-old father, who was attending a barbecue at the family's ranch outside Shiner, Texas, last Saturday, District Attorney Heather McMinn said.

    The father, whose name has not been released because he has not been charged with a crime, heard his daughter's screams and ran to a secluded area, where he "removed Flores from on top of his child and, in the process, inflicted several blows to the man's head and neck area," McMinn said.

    The father admitted to Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon and a Texas Ranger investigating the case that he beat Flores to death in an effort to protect his child.
    In court papers, Harmon said evidence found at the scene appeared to substantiate the father's account.

    "The man's pants and underwear were down and his genitals were exposed," Harmon said. "In addition, all of the physical evidence and several detailed witness statements corroborated the father's statement."

    McMinn said she determined on Friday that the case should be reviewed by a grand jury.

    "Sheriff Harmon made the right decision in not arresting the father at the time of the incident," she said.

    McMinn said the father was "very remorseful and did not intend to kill Jesus Flores."

    Harmon said Flores had been hired by the family to groom horses and perform other chores.
    A kick to the face could easily be deadly.

    For god's sakes....how horrific would that rape/sexual assault/attack have needed to be before you'd think the father's actions were justified?

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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    Perhaps I should have read the article, lol.

    I had the wrong impression of the story. While I certainly don't think what he did was right in terms of how we deal with criminals, his remorse and the scenario was different from what I had in mind, so I'll change my opinion to wrong but unintended.

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    Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You're assuming reasoning when reacting was what was going on . (And I'm guessing that you aren't a parent yet. Correct?) The father's intent was not to beat the pervert to death; in fact, he didn't even know the guy was dead until he was told.
    I hadn't realized that. I thought it was an intentional beating death, per the thread title. I was wrong.

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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Perhaps I should have read the article, lol.

    I had the wrong impression of the story. While I certainly don't think what he did was right in terms of how we deal with criminals, his remorse and the scenario was different from what I had in mind, so I'll change my opinion to wrong but unintended.
    Is self-defense wrong if it results in a death? Regardless of the circumstances?

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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is self-defense wrong if it results in a death? Regardless of the circumstances?
    If the man punched the molester 500 times in the head till his was was pink mush and then set his body on fire, that's excessive. You want a one-size-fits all answer from me; I don't give those.

    What's excessive depends on the situation. In this case, I thought the man found the molester and beat him to death out of ANGER.
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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    But you also said what the father did was wrong.

    How's it wrong? He protected his daughter in an immediate and decisive fashion.

    I see nothing wrong with the scenario at all.

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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    If the man punched the molester 500 times in the head till his was was pink mush and then set his body on fire, that's excessive. You want a one-size-fits all answer from me; I don't give those.

    What's excessive depends on the situation. In this case, I thought the man found the molester and beat him to death out of ANGER.
    I see nothing wrong with either one of those choices.

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    Re: Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is self-defense wrong if it results in a death? Regardless of the circumstances?
    Actually, in TX anyway, self defense which results in a death could land you behind bars depending upon circumstances.
    Example, if your engaged in criminal activity, say a drug deal, and someone pulled a knife on you, and you pulled a gun
    and shot them dead, you'd most likely serve some time. Use of deadly force must fit neatly into a box to be justified.

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