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    Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    By Kim Geiger

    June 11, 2012, 3:18 p.m.

    WASHINGTON -- Refusing to back away from its controversial plan to purge voter rolls before the presidential election, the Florida Department of State on Monday filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for failing to assist the state in its efforts to identify noncitizens who are registered to vote.

    The state had asked Homeland Security for access to the SAVE database, but the department has not cooperated, so the rolls instead have been compared against the stateís driverís license database. Homeland Security argues that the SAVE database is not designed to be compared against voter registration rolls and that it does not contain information about citizens born in the United States.

    Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge - latimes.com
    I was listening to Rick Scott on the radio, he said as many as 182,000 registered voters who may not be U.S. citizens. Janet Incompitano appears to be stonewalling on the SAVE database like Holder on Fast & Furious. Didn't Obama promise transparency with his administration? 182,000 votes could be an election changer in any close race.
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Chicago politics in Florida?
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Good for Scott. Denial of access to the SAVE Database appears to be politically motivated, not legally motivated:
    Last week, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner wrote to the Justice Department saying the state was not in violation of federal law, but that the Obama administration appeared to be.
    “By denying Florida access to the SAVE database, DHS appears to have violated federal law, which provides that states may use the SAVE database ‘for any legal purpose such as … voter registration,’” the letter stated.

    Read more: Florida voter purge fight escalates - POLITICO.com
    OTOH, I do not support Gov. Scott's zealousness in purging legal voters along with illegal ones. This too appears to be more politically motivated than legally motivated.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Good for Scott. Denial of access to the SAVE Database appears to be politically motivated, not legally motivated:


    OTOH, I do not support Gov. Scott's zealousness in purging legal voters along with illegal ones. This too appears to be more politically motivated than legally motivated.
    Having one legal citizens vote negated by the voter fraud of an illegal voter is simply unacceptable. American citizens have the right to expect their votes being heard at the ballot box, not being canceled out by voter fraud.
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Having one legal citizens vote negated by the voter fraud of an illegal voter is simply unacceptable. American citizens have the right to expect their votes being heard at the ballot box, not being canceled out by voter fraud.
    Agreed. Completely unacceptable. The Scott administration should have been more thorough in their purging of the rolls. It is as unacceptable as saying "Imprisoning or executing a couple of innocents in order to ensure all the guilty are convicted is okay."

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    How many more threads do we need discussing the FL voter purge issue?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ter-purge.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...elections.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...e-program.html

    I have no problem with FL or any other state purging their voter registration files as long as in so doing they DON'T discard authentic (legal) registered voters. To that, the question clearly is has Florida's elected officials (specifically, their Governor) gone about purging their voter registration records the right way under state and federal law? Seems to me the answer is a resounding NO!
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-12-12 at 09:05 AM.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Good for Scott. Denial of access to the SAVE Database appears to be politically motivated, not legally motivated:


    OTOH, I do not support Gov. Scott's zealousness in purging legal voters along with illegal ones. This too appears to be more politically motivated than legally motivated.
    The problem is he cannot find out if his information is correct or incorrect without the DHS illegals database. Hence the reason they are criticizing it is because of the information they are witholding.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I have no problem with FL or any other state purging their voter registration files as long as in so doing they DON'T discard authentic (legal) registered voters. To that, the question clearly is has Florida's elected officials gone about purging their voter registration records the right way under state and federal law? Seems to me the answer is a resounding NO!
    Agreed. This particular thread is slightly different in that it appears it is DHS (and by extension, the Obama administration) which is wrong in denying access to the SAVE database which would allow accuracy in purging the voter roles. Regardless, I think it is wrong for any Governor to purge legal citizens from the voting roles in a "guilty until proven innocent" action.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The problem is he cannot find out if his information is correct or incorrect without the DHS illegals database. Hence the reason they are criticizing it is because of the information they are witholding.
    True, but does that mean Scott is righteous in disenfranchising innocent American citizens?

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How many more threads do we need discussing the FL voter purge issue?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ter-purge.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...elections.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...e-program.html

    I have no problem with FL or any other state purging their voter registration files as long as in so doing they DON'T discard authentic (legal) registered voters. To that, the question clearly is has Florida's elected officials (specifically, their Governor) gone about purging their voter registration records the right way under state and federal law? Seems to me the answer is a resounding NO!
    Did you read the original post? This thread is about Florida suing the DHS to have access to the SAVE database.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

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