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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Is that why DHS has been cancelling teleconferences and meetings with Florida officials for 8 months to discuss the issue ????
    We all know why the the Federal Government is doing what they are doing. The need votes from illegal aliens to stay in power and I don't think even that will help.

    Well over 8% unemployment for the longest sustained time in the history of this country since the great depression. 16+% underemployment (stimulus jobs), $4+ trillion dollars in new debt in less than 4 years, home foreclosures continuing unabated by any Obama plan, gasoline hovering around $4 a gallon, food prices hitting the stratosphere and GDP growth below 2% which means we're losing ground.

    That's the platform the Obama and the Democrats have to run on?
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm not against them using it - why do you think I am?
    I read your posts?
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    One more time..... what proof do you have that Florida is not willing to pay for access to the database???
    Because they keep insisting that DHS won't give them access to the database in question when all they have to do is pay for the short-list of questionable registered voters. Again, they have access to the legally registered voters via their own DMV. It's a very simple thing to wrap your mind around.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Why are liberals so damn afraid of doing what's right? Actually, I know exactly why. I just wait for the day they admit it. LOL

    It's so blatantly and childishly transparent, it's comical. I used to have the same conversations with my kids when they got caught doing things they weren't supposed to when they were 5.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Because they keep insisting that DHS won't give them access to the database in question when all they have to do is pay for the short-list of questionable registered voters. Again, they have access to the legally registered voters via their own DMV. It's a very simple thing to wrap your mind around.

    Capitalism...free market....profits....pay-to-play.
    If they don't GIVE them access, there's nothing to pay for. Use of the site is based on $0.50 PER USE. No access, no pay.

    How can they owe for use of the database if they are not allowed to access it ???

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I read your posts?
    Well then I should have been more careful with my wording - such a sensitive subject, I should have slowed down, defined my views, the legal issues, and presented the possible solutions.

    I'm fine with it if 1) The supreme court rules it appropriate - or 2) State and fed organization work together to define the method and means - obviously filling out an application for every citizen registered to vote is not appropriate or timely with Florida wanting it done asap, and if it's done hastily and by someone not fully familiar with the system information could be misinterpreted and someone who is a legal resident and ok to vote might be denied the right - or 3) Congress defines a new system - or modifies rules for this system - so something can be done on a mass-scale.

    It is a grey area - which no one's denying - and it should be done carefully and properly and with agreement of all involved; not with 'peer pressure' which is what Florida's doing; Florida ****ed up - they then took on this new view - and want to hurry up and make magic happen . . . **** doesn't work like that. You can't just snap your fingers and tada.

    The agency CANNOT just ignore their already existing and defined procedures to appease Florida who created this problem for itself. . . what exactly is Florida wanting to do? Does Florida even have a solution or an idea of how to comb thorugh millions that does not force the agency to defy it's established procedural rules? . . . I read several articles and there' seems ot be no defined solution - they just want 'access' - well they need to be more clear than that, do they not?
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I was listening to Rick Scott on the radio, he said as many as 182,000 registered voters who may not be U.S. citizens. Janet Incompitano appears to be stonewalling on the SAVE database like Holder on Fast & Furious. Didn't Obama promise transparency with his administration? 182,000 votes could be an election changer in any close race.
    I hope Florida is successful. Illegal voters should be purged and I suspect that race parasites in in the justice department are using the fact that most illegals are Hispanic to make false claims of racial discrimination.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well then I should have been more careful with my wording - such a sensitive subject, I should have slowed down, defined my views, the legal issues, and presented the possible solutions.
    Yes, you should.
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope Florida is successful. Illegal voters should be purged and I suspect that race parasites in in the justice department are using the fact that most illegals are Hispanic to make false claims of racial discrimination.
    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REFORM AND IMMIGRANT RESPONSIBILITY ACT 1996 (IIRIRA-96)

    Section 215. Criminal Penalty for False Claim to Citizenship.

    It is unlawful for any person to: (1) make a false claim to U.S. citizenship or nationality for the purpose of obtaining, for him or herself or any other person, any federal benefit or service or employment in the U.S.; and (2) make a false claim to U.S. citizenship to vote or register to vote in any federal, state, or local election.

    http://www.nacua.org/documents/iirira.pdf
    They should be prosecuted or offered the option to leave the U.S.
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If they don't GIVE them access, there's nothing to pay for. Use of the site is based on $0.50 PER USE. No access, no pay.

    How can they owe for use of the database if they are not allowed to access it ???
    Again, it's a fee-based system. You submit your list of questionable individuals, pay the prerequisite fee and in return you get back the results you seek, if any. Read the DHS SAVE database abstract I linked to previously; it should provide you will the answers you seek.

    And stop pretending that "ACCESS" means unabated entrance into a place or information source.

    It's pay-to-play, baby. Capitalism at its best...that is until it gets in the way of political motives by the NeoCons. Then it's "access denied".

    Also for your reading pleasure on the subject matter at hand: The Bizarre and Confusing Standoff Between Florida and DOJ over Voter Purging

    The state of Florida is defying orders from the federal government to cease a voter purging program they say they’re not conducting. Topping that, the state is seeking access to a federal database it already has access to.
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    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-12-12 at 12:15 PM.

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