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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    The problem is he cannot find out if his information is correct or incorrect without the DHS illegals database. Hence the reason they are criticizing it is because of the information they are witholding.
    Two questions for you:

    1) Which DHS database are you referring to and what credible evidence do you have that makes you so certain it's illegal?

    2) Is it the same database that was used in previous gubenatorial/presidential elections to identify registered voters in the state of Florida? If so, what's changed about it since the last gubenatorial/presidential election cycle?

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Two questions for you:

    1) Which DHS database are you referring to and what credible evidence do you have that makes you so certain it's illegal?

    2) Is it the same database that was used in previous gubenatorial/presidential elections to identify registered voters in the state of Florida? If so, what's changed about it since the last gubenatorial/presidential election cycle?
    Jeez. The OP states clearly what database this is about.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Two questions for you:

    1) Which DHS database are you referring to and what credible evidence do you have that makes you so certain it's illegal?
    Florida sues DHS for access to the SAVE database to clean up voter rolls - Tampa Bay Political Buzz | Examiner.com
    For over nine months the State of Florida has sought access to the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database maintained by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in an effort to verify eligible voters and clean up the voter rolls of ineligible voters.........Detzner’s letter continues “By denying Florida access to the SAVE database, DHS appears to have violated federal law, which provides that states may use the SAVE database for any legal purpose such as… voter registration,” and that “DHS shall respond to an inquiry by a State… government agency… seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.” 76 Fed. Reg. 58525, 58527 (Sept. 21, 2011); 7 U.S.C. 1373(d).

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Did you read the original post? This thread is about Florida suing the DHS to have access to the SAVE database.
    Very well then. Abstract from the DHS' Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program:

    The Verification Division of the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) administers the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program. SAVE is a fee-based intergovernmental initiative designed to help federal, state, tribal, and local government agencies check immigration status for granting benefits, licenses, and other lawful purposes. Previously, USCIS documented the SAVE Program along with the E-Verify Program in the Privacy Impact Assessment (PIA) and System of Records Notice (SORN) of the Verification Information System (VIS), which is the technology that supports both programs. USCIS has conducted separate PIAs for the SAVE and E-Verify programs to assist the public in better understanding each program.
    Notice the "fee-based" part. Seems to me all the Florida state government has to do is purchase the program and they're good to go. Capitalism at it best. But I get where you're coming from here, towit:

    "If the SAVE database has the capability of checking the immigration status of registered individuals, why not use it to compare state immigration records against federal immigration records?"

    Still, it seems to me that all FL has to do is pay for the program and the problem is solved. Notice what the OP says:

    the State of Florida has sought access to the SAVE database...
    ...not assistance from DHS in verifying the data it contains...big difference.
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Very well then. Abstract from the DHS' Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program:



    Notice the "fee-based" part. Seems to me all the Florida state government has to do is purchase the program and they're good to go. Capitalism at it best. But I get where you're coming from here, towit:

    "If the SAVE database has the capability of checking the immigration status of registered individuals, why not use it to compare state immigration records against federal immigration records?"

    Still, it seems to me that all FL has to do is pay for the program and the problem is solved. Notice what the OP says:



    ...not assistance from DHS in verifying the data it contains...big difference.
    The issue is not payment for the data. DHS is refusing access to Florida to the database. There is no evidence that Florida is asking for free access to the data. DHS won't let them compare their voter roles to the database at any price. They've been stonewalling Florida for a year now.

    Seems stonewalling is the only thing this administration is good at.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Why do they need access to SAVE? Why can't they use their drivers license database? It's sufficient enough. . .
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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The issue is not payment for the data. DHS is refusing access to Florida to the database. There is no evidence that Florida is asking for free access to the data. DHS won't let them compare their voter roles to the database at any price. They've been stonewalling Florida for a year now.

    Seems stonewalling is the only thing this administration is good at.
    Florida needs to pay for the database then they will have full access to the database. Simple!

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Its almost like dems want voter fraud but that just could not be true.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Florida needs to pay for the database then they will have full access to the database. Simple!
    One more time..... DHS REFUSES to give them access. The fee is per use and if they are not allowed to access it, they obviously can't use it.

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    Re: Florida sues Homeland Security over state voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    One more time..... DHS REFUSES to give them access. The fee is per use and if they are not allowed to access it, they obviously can't use it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why do they need access to SAVE? Why can't they use their drivers license database? It's sufficient enough. . .
    Seem plausable enough. Just compare state DMV records with voter registration records and the problem is atleast partically solved. Of course, you might miss those senior citizens who no longer have a valid driver's license, but you'd sure narrow down the search significantly. Of course, a more thorough review of the SAVE abstract reveals this nugget of info:

    Many state DMVs already access SAVE to determine the status of non-citizens.
    Problem solved, folks!
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-12-12 at 09:53 AM.

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