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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    We've already been over the fact that the quality of education cannot be pinned exclusively on teachers.

    Blaming the state of an entire education system on teachers is like blaming the failure of the auto industry on car salesmen. It's beyond ignorant and interestingly enough, an example of why our education really needs to improve.
    A teachers job is to motivate kids to want to learn. If they can't do that they're over paid. If you want the education system to improve, let the teachers compete for their jobs by their classroom performance.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

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    So a teacher is the ONLY factor in how well a student performs?
    I never said that, you did. If I sell widgets and the other salesmen out sell me every month, I shouldn't have my job long as I'm a lousy salesmen. If a teachers can't motivate their kids to learn, then perhaps their efforts would be more productive as a Janitor.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    One paragraph up liar:
    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.
    I'm sure you must have missed this part. Calling others liars just demeans you and your credibility.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hmmm so are you alluding that it is now Obama's fault? It's funny that the right likes to put all the blame on the teachers but not the parents or students.
    Really? PLEASE show where 'the right' absolves students and parents. I'll wait...

    The topic of the OP is 'teachers' and in my first post I pointed out very clearly it is NOT all the teachers fault. In previous threads on Americas failing education system it is regularly pointed out that the PRIMARY responsibility lies with students and families.

    Its 'funny' how quickly you get your dainties caught in your crack when I make a joking dig at the 'community' Obama 'organized'.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? PLEASE show where 'the right' absolves students and parents. I'll wait...
    Hmmm, that would be right here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    A teachers job is to motivate kids to want to learn. If they can't do that they're over paid. If you want the education system to improve, let the teachers compete for their jobs by their classroom performance.
    Where is any of the blame on the parents or students listed in the above quote?


    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its 'funny' how quickly you get your dainties caught in your crack when I make a joking dig at the 'community' Obama 'organized'.
    I don't recall Obama saying he organized EVERYTHING, please show us where he said that?

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "Our members ... were loud, serious and clear," Lewis said. "We want a contract that gives Chicago students the school they deserve. So we call on CPSs to take this process seriously and negotiate with us in good faith with an eye on the real prize, our children."
    They want a contract that gives students what they deserve huh? Yet their problem with the contract is in how much they are getting paid and not for any benefit towards the students.

    And people wonder why so many are against public unions.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hmmm so are you alluding that it is now Obama's fault? It's funny that the right likes to put all the blame on the teachers but not the parents or students.
    Well it certainly is not Bush's fault!

    You have misunderstood the right, or you are just pulling it out of your ass. The right blames the parents as much if not more than the teachers, and while not as much we also blame the students (they ARE minors).
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Well it certainly is not Bush's fault!
    It's not any president's fault. I don't believe that lack of graduation is a president's fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    You have misunderstood the right, or you are just pulling it out of your ass. The right blames the parents as much if not more than the teachers, and while not as much we also blame the students (they ARE minors).
    You can read a book to a student, but you cannot force them to think.

    If you have a student that absoultely does not want to learn, no teacher can teach that child. There are some students who are completely unmotivated to learn no matter what.

    Of course I am of the mindset of flunking a student or kicking them out after a point.

    However, in this thread alone there are conservatives that blame the teachers and want to put their pay directly related to whether a student can pass a test. Sorry, but that is not the answer given that there are many factors outside a teacher's control. That being the student's willingness or unwillingness to learn and parents that either care or don't care.

    Teachers should not be punished for things they cannot control.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They want a contract that gives students what they deserve huh? Yet their problem with the contract is in how much they are getting paid and not for any benefit towards the students.
    That's not accurate. It's pretty obvious that you read one article, the OP, about this situation and decided to make a blanket statement about it. Since you aren't interested in doing your own research, I'll do it for you. Here's what CTU wants their contract to address, much of which directly affects students. In fact, they have a question specifically directed a people like you:

    Is this strike authorization vote just about the money?

    No. CTU is fighting for a variety of things that will help improve neighborhood schools, including smaller class sizes, air conditioning and heating repairs in schools; art, music, world languages and physical education instructors and classes in every single school; better school facilities; stipends for school supplies for needy students; and a host of other things that will improve the quality of education in our public schools.

    Wages and benefits are important parts of labor agreements. The upcoming July 15 report will primarily address some of the CTU’s wage and benefits concerns. The CTU has requested a negotiable 29% pay increase over two years in the first round of bargaining. Twenty percent because teachers and public school educators are being asked to work 20% longer; 4% because this was the contractual raise stolen from public school workers last year; and a 5% increase in the second year of the new contract.

    Chicago Teachers Union | CTU Answers More Questions about the "Strike Authorization Vote"
    So no, the contract isn't just about how much they are getting paid. Fail.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Eighteen months ago the General Assembly raised the Illinois income tax by 67%, and the state's fiscal hole is worse now than it was then. Who the heck is supposed to pay for the teachers union's demands???
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