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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Wow, the conservatives really jumped on this thread without any knowledge of the specific situation outside of the pittance that was described in the OP article.

    Who ever would have guessed that would happen?
    So...tell us where we're missing the point.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "So the city wants to increase the amount of time the teachers work while implementing an effective pay freeze/cut (2% raise in nominal wages vs. 2%+ inflation). So in real terms workers wages will go down as their hours increase, and the teachers are the ones being greedy?

    So let me get this straight, The Union voted in a rushed vote so they could include 1500 votes that otherwise wouldn't be counted. They are bitching because they have to work a 7 hr. day instead of 6. And due to hard times their automatic raise is frozen.....Oh, and they did this before an independent fact finding board came out with their recommendations.... Yes, they are greedy.

    Also, FDR wasn't against public sector unions.
    Is that so? Just one of many thoughts on the subject of government employees Unions from his own pen.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDR
    All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

    Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government."



    Read more at the American Presidency Project: Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service

    Why that sounds absolutely supportive of public sector unions.



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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So let me get this straight, The Union voted in a rushed vote so they could include 1500 votes that otherwise wouldn't be counted. They are bitching because they have to work a 7 hr. day instead of 6. And due to hard times their automatic raise is frozen.....Oh, and they did this before an independent fact finding board came out with their recommendations.... Yes, they are greedy.



    Is that so? Just one of many thoughts on the subject of government employees Unions from his own pen.




    Why that sounds absolutely supportive of public sector unions.



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    One paragraph up liar:

    "The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Whether they are "overpaid" is a matter of opinion. Maybe other districts and other states are "underpaid."

    Besides, my points and the points in this thread have nothing to do with overpaid or underpaid. They have to do with being paid for your work. If your work day is extended, I think you should be paid for it, especially if your work day is being extended for no demonstrably good reason. You have said absolutely nothing to counterargue that notion. You've merely changed the subject to discuss your opinion on being overpaid.


    Do you have proof that the poor results in Chicago are directly linked to teachers' "substandard performance"?
    Illinois Ranking 35th in Education nationwide and Mr. Duncan's Chicago school system ranks as having all 10 worst High Schools (out of 604), 3 of the 10 worst Middle schools (out of 725) and 7 of the 10 worst Elementary Schools (out of 2265) in the entire state of Illinois.

    Bottom 10 Worst Illinois State Elementary Schools - IL School Rankings
    35th in education nation wide???? Yea they're over paid.
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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    One paragraph up liar:

    "The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

    Read more at the American Presidency Project: The American Presidency Project http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15445#ixzz1xcvihrfa"
    See, obviously, you missed this part right after what you highlighted to me....And you call me names?....Pfft....

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    Nah...obviously the union supporters are correct and democrats are out to destroy them.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    35th in education nation wide???? Yea they're over paid.
    We've already been over the fact that the quality of education cannot be pinned exclusively on teachers.

    Blaming the state of an entire education system on teachers is like blaming the failure of the auto industry on car salesmen. It's beyond ignorant and interestingly enough, an example of why our education really needs to improve.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    35th in education nation wide???? Yea they're over paid.
    So a teacher is the ONLY factor in how well a student performs?

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So a teacher is the ONLY factor in how well a student performs?
    Well...no...it doesnt help that the 'community' in question is a train wreck. Shame they couldnt have an effective 'community organizer' in there at some time to really affect strong positive changes.

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    Re: 90 Percent of Chicago Teachers Authorize Strike

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...no...it doesnt help that the 'community' in question is a train wreck. Shame they couldnt have an effective 'community organizer' in there at some time to really affect strong positive changes.
    Hmmm so are you alluding that it is now Obama's fault? It's funny that the right likes to put all the blame on the teachers but not the parents or students.

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