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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Saddam killed the Kurds because first the Kurds are Shiite and Saddam is Sunni, second, it's politics. This has been like this since mohammed's death when shiite fought against Sunni for political power. They didn't even spare the prophet's grandson and the caliphs. Read the history of islam and its religious texts. It's violent from the beginning to now. No other religion is so violent from its core teaching.
    Kurds are Shiite? Huh??? In reality, most are Sunni. It was an ethnic conflict, not a religious one.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.
    Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.

    Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.
    Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?

    This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.


    Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.


    You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?
    What war?

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.


    Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?


    What war?
    You did not know that there have been rebels in the north for decades? And why should we take you seriously on this topic?
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Kurds are Shiite? Huh??? In reality, most are Sunni. It was an ethnic conflict, not a religious one.
    Kurds are mostly Iranic people. There Christians, Shiite, Sunni and other subset of islam. But the Sunni Kurds are mostly Shafi school which are considered by mainstream Sunni as heretic because they believe in mystical practice.


    But, yeah the conflict was an ethnic conflict but religion always played a part in islamic culture in a matter of convenience. It's always been like this since mohammad's days.

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You did not know that there have been rebels in the north for decades? And why should we take you seriously on this topic?
    You mean like they go around killing civilians versus rebel against government?

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Which of course doesn't matter, all religion is forgery. What matters is that the overwhelming majority of Sunni Muslims believe in the versions that have the anti racist remarks in them. Whether Muhammad actually said them or whether he or Jesus even existed is beside the point, so long as most of their followers believe they did and believe these are their words then its all that matters.
    What actually happened is beside the point


    And of course, again, its silly to hold 20 million Saudis as representative of Islam and how Islam treats "Muslims of darker skin" when the bulk of those 1.3 billion Muslims are not even Arab.
    Then you are the one quoting forgery. So, what's your point now?

    Whether islam is a forgery or not isn't the issue. The issue is that the violent teaching in the quran and ahadith are believed to be divinely inspired for emulation by the followers. For the muslims, every word in the quran is believed by them to be the direct command from their allah for all time.

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.
    No, they didn't.

    Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?
    Again, this is not an immigration issue.

    What war?
    You're debating this topic and you don't have a clue about the recent history of Myanmar?

    I see you addressed it here:

    You mean like they go around killing civilians versus rebel against government?
    Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.
    Spud, this is a Muslim-hating thread. Muslims have joined 'commies' as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with the world and threatening to American/Western civilisation. You really shouldn't expect logic, evidence or reason. Didn't you notice that mbig's been taking part too? That should tell you what you need to know.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    the Sunni Kurds are mostly Shafi school which are considered by mainstream Sunni as heretic because they believe in mystical practice.
    Sunni Islam is composed of 4 main schools of thought with Shafi'i consisting of nearly a 1/3rd of all adherents with high representation in all major Islamic nations (one of these being the Islamic country with highest density; Indonesia). Which mainstream "Sunnis" believe Shafi'i heretical? Or did you just make that up?
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    No, they didn't.
    I didn't say there were no muslims in the British workforce. The muslims brought in by the British were basically clerical. They were in better position financially than those immigrated illegally from Bangladesh. Those immigrated from Bangladesh did so long before the British even showed up.

    Whether they came through by British workforce or illegally through the border, they are still illegal by the country's immigration policy since their work permit under the British rule had expired and no long good.

    Again, this is not an immigration issue.
    For those who entered the country illegally it's an immigration issue. For those who were brought in by the British for labor workforce, their entry permit into the country were simply for work and not for permanent immigration. Therefore it's also an immigration issue.

    Likewise in the U.S., if you enter the country under H1B work visa, it only entitles you to legally work in the country. It doesn't entitle you to become a citizen. If you overstay your work status then you become illegal alien no matter how many decades you have been staying in the country. As illegal alien, you cannot get a regular job. There are a host of things you are not entitled to receive as illegal alien. It's certainly oppressive. But, you can't legitimize use of violence against innocent civilians to voice your disagreement against the government or its immigration policy.

    You're debating this topic and you don't have a clue about the recent history of Myanmar?

    I see you addressed it here:
    Like I said, you are purposely trying to compare apples and oranges. What you are referring to is a battle between the Shan and Kachin state and the soldiers of the Burmese governemt. It's not the same as muslims going around killing innocent civilian villages and burning down their homes.

    [COLOR=#810081]]Kachin battle continues in Northern Shan and Kachin State | Kachinland News

    "Fierce fighting continues between Kachin Independence Army and Burmese government’s army with casualties increasing, but a political solution is still far from sight.

    A fierce fighting between KIA’s 9th Battalion under 4th Brigade and Burmese Army’s Nampaka-based 123rd LIB under North Eastern Regional Military Command took place on the road between Nampaka town and Humaing village on May 29 at 9 am. Burmese Army later withdraws its troops to Nampaka after suffering high casualties, reported a frontline source."

    Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.
    Like I said, apples and oranges.

    There were certainly fighting between the muslims and buddhists as in this case. In most cases, it started out with reaction against muslims who initiated the violence against innocent civilians.

    The bad blood between muslims and buddhists stretched back to the time of islamic conquest of Persia and ran through it like wild fire into Afghanistan and India that later spilled over to Burma.

    When islam came through the ancient buddhist land of Afghanistan, they killed and destroyed the buddhists and their beautiful temples. Leaving no trace of buddhism in the region. What's left were the two hugh sandstone Buddhas of Bamyan which they couldn't destroy until the muslims of 2001 did the final job.

    When the Mughal conquest swept through Burma, the muslims persecuted the buddhists and the Hindus. Many were killed and some converted into islam by force. Luckily they were spared the fate of extinction of their brethren in Afghanistan because fate had it that by that time the Mughal empire was weakening.

    Another factor for the bad blood is that islamic practice is in many ways contrary to the teaching of Buddha and Hinduism.

    Devout buddhists do not believe in killing animals. But, muslims practice halal slaughters of animals, including cow, in a brutal way and with a prayer. Hindus consider cow to be a sacred animal. You can't blame them from trying to save the animals within their power to do so.

    That's why during the 16th century, king Bayinaung prohibit muslims from their islamic ritual of halal slaughtering animals and their celebration of Eid Al Adha. Do you think the Saudi government and Saudi muslims would let you worship your God or idol in their country without any incident?

    But, to the muslims the prohibition of their religious practice tantamount to persecution of islam that justify a holy war.

    This justification of jihad is specifically taught by their prophet mohammad who took the word "persecution" into his islamic hyperbolic twist and then told his followers:"persecution is worst than slaughter".

    The islamic prophet was actually not under any persecution in the normal sense unless you want to call the police dealing of trouble makers and criminals who commit crimes as persecution.

    Myth: The Muslims were Persecuted at Medina

    But, when mohammad got the upper hand he slaughtered the Jews and the Meccans and hijacked the kaaba by smashing all the idols except a big rock which was worshippped as allah, the moon god, by the Meccans. This same allah became the allah of islam. So, there's no connection to Hebrew/Christian God here.

    So, now Saudi Arabia is an islamic country that forbid infidel foreigners to step foot on ther holy city of Mecca and Medina. During the pre-islamic period, Mecca was a city with various religious groups such as Christians, Jews, pagan idol worshippers and Zorroastrians. Now, there is none.

    Do you think if you are a pagan idol worshipper or a Christian or any other religion and if you are working in ther islamic countries and establish many generations of descendants there, do you think the islamic government would give you citizenship in the countries and practice your faith?

    I doubt it. So, why can't a buddhist country establish their own policy however they want to protect their faith and livestyle given the violent history of muslims worldwide from now and the past?
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