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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but is anyone else suprised to hear Buddhists were on the other side of this? My education on Budhism is minimal, but from what I think I know, they are extremely peaceful and a turn the other cheek type of people. Did I get that wrong?
    As much as I respect buddhism,buddhists are still human beings,and human beings need very little reason to commit atrocities upon one another.
    The teachings of Jesus never prevented his followers from commiting atrocities themselves,and a lot of them never had a problem often using their Holy Book as a pretext and excuse to commit more.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    As much as I respect buddhism,buddhists are still human beings,and human beings need very little reason to commit atrocities upon one another.
    The teachings of Jesus never prevents his followers froms commiting atrocities themselves,often using their Holy Boo as a pretext and excuse.
    I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

    People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

    People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.
    Buddhists wouldn't exist right now if they weren't partial to pre-emptive action. Such is life (and history if yoy care to investigate predominantly Buddhist empires).

    The question is are they more partial to it than other religions. I would say no. However, I don't find "turning the other cheek" a palatable response to aggression in any case.

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

    People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.

    Left by themselves,people tend to be cool with one another.

    It's the wackjob demogogues of any group thats stirs the masses to ccommit atrocities.
    Just like some of the wackjob demogogues on this forum constantly try to do.

    It's not the beliefs that need to be confronted,it's the wackjob demogogues perverting them for their own agendas that need to be confronted.There are still nazi skinheads and other hate groups in this ****ry,what they are looking for is opportunity and effective leadership to make them a threat to our freedom once more.There are Dominionists who want to turn this country into a theocrcratic dictatorship.What they are looking for is opportunity and leadership.
    I live in a heavily christian town with a small buddhist Chinese/catholic Vietnamees population.You be suprised the number of threats me and my wife(who is buddhist) recieved from the followers of the "Prince of Peace" for putting up a small statue of Buddha on our front yard for the Chinese New Year.

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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    British workforce from India were mostly Hindus and Gurkhas. Most of the muslims in Burma immigrate illegally from Bangladesh, which borders Burma at the northwestern region.
    Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.
    Even if they were legally brought in by the British, why are they entitled to citizenship when they were only admitted into the country for work purpose?
    Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.
    Not only that, they were admitted as a workforce by a colonial power that is no longer in control. Can’t the government of the country decide what their immigration policy should be without illegal aliens going around killing people and burning houses when they don’t get their way?
    This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.
    At the least, if they want to voice their dissent, they could protest in front of the government buildings or appeal to the UN for help through peaceful means. If the government used violent force against their peaceful means of resolution, then I can understand the justification of their violence against the government. But, certainly not against innocent civilians.
    Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.
    Muslims in Burma aren’t the only group of people being singled out for discrimination. The Chinese, Hindus and other minority also suffer the same discrimination the muslims suffered. Yet, they don’t go kill innocent civilians or burn their houses down.



    Why is it that muslims and their supporters always think that they are special than other groups and are entitled to use violent bloodshed to resolve their problems?
    You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.


    Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.


    This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.


    Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.


    You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?
    Damn, spud actually debating, nice.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    What country are you in?Because in America we outlaw ACTIONS not BELIEFS.We don't have "Thought Police" here.
    That's not true. The Communist Control Act of 1954 was enacted to outlaw the communist party and prevent the spread of communism in the U.S.
     
    The main thing is: if the ideological belief is subversive in that it called for the overthrow of the U.S. Constitution and/or the U.S. government, then it is reasonable cause for our government to outlaw such subversive political ideology.
     
    The ideology of islam is subversive in that regard. Devout followers if islam do just that at every chance:
     
    Omar Hammami calls for establishment of global caliphate - The Long War Journal
     
    "Omar Hammami, the American terrorist who has served as a Shabaab military commander, propagandist, recruiter, and fundraiser, recently released a statement calling for jihadists to declare a global Islamic caliphate. "
     
    Islam Today Oregon Presents: This Is Islam: The Caliphate in Chicago

    "They are coming, and kuffirs not welcome. Hizb ut-Tahrir is known for calling for a new caliphate, and their newest conference is to re-enforce their commitment to the overthrow of Western culture and install a world-wide caliphate. What a country, America is, where we host those who are actively trying to kill us."

    Citizen Warrior: A 20-Year Plan To Overthrow The U.S. Government

    "But they havea religious obligation
    to participate in jihad in some way in order to eventually subjugate all countries under Islamic law, including the U.S."
     
    This is just the tip of the iceberg, I'm not going to list more for want of time and space, but just in America alone and those out in the open there are so many out there that boggles my mind that some Americans simply dismiss them.

    And as usual, you try to present the islamiic ideology as though it is some kind of harmless ginger bread fairy tale or Santa Claus.

    And all that still pales to the atrocities commited by christians since the days of St.Paul.Just saying.You wouldn't happen to be christian,would you.Because I really don't see atheists or any other members of other religions making such a big fuss.
    Where in history have you heard of Christians going cross continently with swords to slaughter, mass rape, plunder and enslave millions upon millions of people in the name of their God?
     
    Islamic conquest of India alone slaughtered 80 million Hindus not to mention the conquest of Persia, the M.E. Arabia, Egypt, Africa and part of Europe. They did that not only in the name of their allah and the quran but also more specifically according to the teaching and example set out by their warrior prophet mohammad.
     
    Muslims killed 80 million Hindus to conquer India - Topix
     
    The followers of islam continue to do so or strive to do so even to today. No other religion does that.

    How about we outlaw people who advocate outlawing thoughts,beliefs,and ideas also.I think thats a reasonable request also.These are reasonable request from their barbaric practice. I don't think it's too much to ask for islam to respect basic human rights..

    Isn't Uganda a christian country?
    And isn't homosexuality a capitol crime there punishable by the death penalty?
    What do you feel about that?

    And there are plenty of people who want to force christianity on everyone to combat this evil.You sound suspiciously like one of them.
    And lets say you manage to "outlaw" islam.What's next for your thought banning agenda.How about Atheism?Buddhism?Satanism?Judaism?Any belief structure that you do not believe in?Drawing attentions to the evil of others is how dictators get to commit their own evil.But thank you for the warnings about Islam.I'll be on the lookout for the "evils" of Islam at the same time I keep an eye out for the evils of people like you.Once people get a taste of power from oppressing people,it seems so hard for them to stop.
    Uganda a Christian nation?

    You mean the Uganda of Idi Amin, aka the "Butcher of Uganda", who slaughtered countless of his own people including singling out homosexual for the killing? I thought he was your good buddy, a muslim?

    FYI, there is no country in this world that is a "Christian country" in the same sense as the theocratic based "islamic country".

    So. your attempt at tu quoque fallacy doesn't even apply.

    Now, if you can show that "Atheism?Buddhism?Satanism?Judaism" have in their teaching a subversive ideology to overthrow our U.S. Constitution and/or our government, then you may have a point. Otherwise your attempt to equate them to islam is just moot.

    And now we get to the nitty-gritty.Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically "protecting" this great evil.Whatever you say,Shicklegrubber.
    Like I said, go read the whole history of islam from the beginning to present. If your still think islam ideology and its principles and precepts as carried out by its followers from its inception till now is not evil, then something is very wrong with you.
     
    There is no theocratic government of any religious establishment in this country. Having dominion religious belief in Christianity or Atheism among the people in the population does not equate to a theocratic government.

    You are so confused.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yeah, trust those nasty Mooslims to cause trouble for the poor, peace-loving, Burmese régime. I'm sure those 'terrorist' villagers have not one shred of reason to complain about their treatment from the government.

    Next!
    I agree with Andalublue for a change. The Burmese regime has brutalized the Arakanese for decades along the western part of the country. They have not been recognized as citizens. Many have fled west to Bangladesh and others have taken to the sea.

    While I deplore violence, the way they have been treated is abominable and indefensible.
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Apparently, the Burmese government doesn’t believe in the “anchor baby” policy like we do here.

    If you illegally enter the country from a neighboring islamic country that won’t assimilate into the population, it doesn’t matter how many generations you’ve been there. You know the country’s policy when you illegally enter, so either take it or leave it. There is no reason to start a violent attack against your infidel neighbors who are your hosts.

    Or do you support illegal aliens going around killing people in your household and town just because they are persecuted and hunted down by ICE?

    You can’t come to my house without permission or invitation and expect to cause mayhem if you don’t get your way. It doesn’t work that way.
    They have been there for centuries!!! Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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    Re: Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The Muslim immigrants in Burma arrived legally because the British government needed a work force, and got them from India. They did not enter the country illegally.
    Actually, they were there long before that and are very closely related to people in nearby Bangladesh.
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