The atrocity committed by these cult members put all together pale in comparison to the atrocities committed by the followers of islam since its inception.
I know it’s almost impossible to outlaw islam from the face of this earth. We almost come close during WWII but we missed the opportunity then. What I hope to do is to wake the world powers to put pressure on islamic countries to reform their religious practice to outlaw:
1. killing apostates of islam, whether by individuals or sanctioned by state
2. Do away with blasphemy law which carries the death penalty
3. Allow freedom of religion and provide severe penalty for violators
4 Allow freedom of speech, even criticism of islam and provide severe penalty for violators
5. Ban the practice of marrying young girls to old men in the footstep of mohammad as example and give women equality without persecution.
6. Outlaw the quranic teaching of violence against the infidels
I am very certain that if islamic countries will allow these to their people, there will be a mass exodus of apostates from islam. When people are educated and informed, rather than being molded and silenced into obedient, islam will implode and self-destruction within a few generations without us doing anything drastic.
These are reasonable request from their barbaric practice. I don't think it's too much to ask for islam to respect basic human rights.
Of course, there are still many people who would want to protect this great evil to exist as a plague on humanity.
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Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"
[...]The Prophet Muhammad's pronouncement: "Two religions may Not dwell together on the Arabian Peninsula."13
This edict was carried out by Abu Bakr and Omar 1, the Prophet Muhammad's successors; the entire community of Jewish settlements throughout northern Arabia was systematically Slaughtered. According to Bernard Lewis, "the Extermination of the Jewish tribe of Quraiza was followed by "an attack on the Jewish oasis of Khaibar."14
Messengers of Muhammad were sent to the Jews who had escaped to the safety and comfort of Khaibar, "inviting" Usayr, the Jewish "war chief," to visit Medina for mediations.
Usayr set off with thirty companions and a Muslim escort. Suspecting no foul play, the Jews went unarmed. On the way, the Muslims turned upon the defenseless delegation, killing all but one who managed to escape. "War is deception," 15 according to an oft-quoted saying of the Prophet.16
The late Israeli historian and former President, Itzhak Ben-Zvi, judged the "inhuman atrocities" of the Arabian communities as unparalleled since then:
... the complete extermination of the two Arabian-Jewish tribes, the Nadhir and Kainuka' by the mass massacre of their men, women and children, was a tragedy for which no parallel can be found in Jewish history until our own day .... 17
The slaughter of Arabian Jews and the expropriation of their property became Allah's will. According to the Koran,
... some you slew and others you took captive. He (Allah] made you masters of their [the Jews'] land, their houses and their goods, and of yet another land [Khaibar] on which you had Never set foot before. Truly, Allah has power over all things.18[...]
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I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
These are the average muslims, not just the islamic terrorists.
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and Full explanation here
TheReligionofPeace - About the List of Islamic Terror Attacks
I don't Have to prove the motive in Sudan or Iraq (or in EVERY Case) was particularly religious to show that Islam is particularly violent, and violent in it's cause. I have already provided plenty of documentation for the last Week, Month, Year, 10 Years, etc.Originally Posted by WiseOne
Of course before there were mostly 'Pagans' there were two Million Christians and Animists killed in the First Sudan Genocide (1983-2003) which Preceded, or at least started, before 'oil'.
The second Genocide, Darfur, was more Ethno-religous, with the Arabo-Muslim North genociding the Black-er Muslim Fur people. Islam is an Arab-centric religion and in many cases within that world, racist
The Arab League Backed it's Sister country Sudan for many years in their genocide of the non-Muslims of the south.
That's an Utter LieOriginally Posted by Wiseone
See above again for the links detailing violence and 'about' the list.
If had already characterized the nature Of the list, and just looking at it one can see it doesn't include ordinary/Common crime.Originally Posted by thereligionofpeace.com-'About the List'
Your post repeating the goofy claim, is either Dishonest or incredibly blind.
You pointed to instances in which their motive wasn't religious as 'proof' they aren't inordinately violent in Islam's name.Originally Posted by WiseOne
Therein was the Dishonest and Fallacious attempt.
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I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
For example in the Old Testament, God demands punishments like exile, stoning, etc for certain crimes. The Jews of today never do such things however, yet it is in their Holy Books. Is Judaism a violent religion, or does it have to do more with the interpretation of it?
And have we considered were Islam was used to justify an action they already wanted to take? For example your community neighbors another group with a different culture, tradition, language, etc and conflict starts over an issue to grazing lands for herders, your community becomes angry and demands a violent response and to help justify it the local Imam finds something in the Koran he interprets to justify a violent response.
Would Islam be to blame in this situation? Would the community for wanting violence in the first place? The Imam for making a justification for it?
And don't forget the expanded world of religious texts as well, for example "Just War Theory" as developed by Augustine is something held by the Catholic Church as a means to decide if violence is justified. No where does Just War Theory appear in the Bible, and its primaries referred to by the Catholic Church and not other Christian sects. Is it far to call it part of Christianity then? When its not in the Holy book and primarily used by only one sect, although a very large sect, of all Christianity? If someone used Augustine's Just War Theory to commit violence, would it be far to call all of Christianity violent?
Islam is the same way, very diverse, and full of teachers and books throughout history which are not part of their Holy Book.
It's not as simple as saying Islam as a whole makes people like this, in fact refering to anything about Islam in the whole is almost always inaccurate because it is so diverse. The term must be used so vaguely its normally meaningless.
If you want to convince me you have to show that all other things being equal, a Muslim is more violent than someone else.
And don't demand for me to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right.
[/QUOTE]Isn't Uganda a christian country?
And isn't homosexuality a capitol crime there punishable by the death penalty?
What do you feel about that?
And there are plenty of people who want to force christianity on everyone to combat this evil.You sound suspiciously like one of them.
And lets say you manage to "outlaw" islam.What's next for your thought banning agenda.How about Atheism?Buddhism?Satanism?Judaism?Any belief structure that you do not believe in?Drawing attentions to the evil of others is how dictators get to commit their own evil.But thank you for the warnings about Islam.I'll be on the lookout for the "evils" of Islam at the same time I keep an eye out for the evils of people like you.Once people get a taste of power from oppressing people,it seems so hard for them to stop.[/quote]
Then you should join me in stating that any form of attempting to impose theocratic beliefs and laws should be outlawed,and that would include Christian Dominionism in this country.
If outlawing beliefs is acceptable,why not include that?
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but is anyone else suprised to hear Buddhists were on the other side of this? My education on Budhism is minimal, but from what I think I know, they are extremely peaceful and a turn the other cheek type of people. Did I get that wrong?
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the ******* irony in that." - Justin Halpern
What actually happened is beside the point
And of course, again, its silly to hold 20 million Saudis as representative of Islam and how Islam treats "Muslims of darker skin" when the bulk of those 1.3 billion Muslims are not even Arab.