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    Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    A military judge has denied a motion to drop some of the charges against WikiLeaks suspect Private Bradley Manning, and said his trial would is likely to be delayed until November.The judge, Denise Lind, on Friday rejected defence motions to dismiss 10 of 22 charges against Manning for allegedly spilling a trove of US intelligence secrets to WikiLeaks, the whistle-blowing website.
    The judge rejected the claim that eight charges of unauthorised possession and disclosure of classified information were "unconstitutionally vague," noting that the Supreme Court had rejected similar claims and had concluded there was no uncertainty in the law. "The court finds there's no uncertainty in the statute," she said.

    On the third and final day of preliminary hearings, Lind also denied the defence's bid to drop two additional charges that Manning exceeded his authorisation to use the US Defence Department intranet.

    She did, though, ask the government to provide more details on the charges.

    Manning could spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted of aiding the enemy by handing hundreds of thousands of classified documents, including military logs from Iraq and Afghanistan, and sensitive diplomatic cables, to WikiLeaks. He has not yet entered a plea.

    During his eight months of solitary confinement at Quantico, Manning was subjected to "cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment," according to a UN special rapporteur.


    Read more @: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This information is vital to democracy. Secrecy is not good for democracy, its not good for the voters decisions. Will we punish all Whistleblowers now?

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    He didn't "aid the enemy". He held the US government accountable to its people. Are the citizens of the United States now "the enemy"?
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    He didn't "aid the enemy". He held the US government accountable to its people. Are the citizens of the United States now "the enemy"?
    With the Patriot Act and Kill Lists apparently we are. They must be scared of us?


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Once he choose to wear the uniform, and voluntarily no less, he gave up all right to any whistleblower status. Now, if he had gone civilian first, he might have qualified for whistleblower - if it weren't for the classification agreements he signed and swore to.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    He didn't "aid the enemy". He held the US government accountable to its people. Are the citizens of the United States now "the enemy"?
    He also violated an agreement mandating that classified information such as these documents never be released to foreign and outside sources as a prerequisite for accessing such information. We can argue about the merit of his intentions, but that doesn't change the fact that he allegedly violated military law.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Good. Hope he gets to spend the rest of his life turning big rocks into little rocks.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Good. Hope he gets to spend the rest of his life turning big rocks into little rocks.
    For doing what?
    Who did he put in danger?
    What did he put in danger?


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    For doing what?
    Who did he put in danger?
    What did he put in danger?
    Look at the list of charges. The only thing that could potentially be debated is the "Aiding the Enemy" charge which from what I know, is valid. The bulk of them fall under UCMJ Article 92-Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation.

    He put plenty of people and the nation in danger.

    1. Still waiting for someone to show proof (not allegations, not accusation) of real crimes he revealed.
    2. Some of the things he released can and likely are used as major recruitment by those who want to kill the US Forces in theater. Whether you agree with them being there or not, they're there. The Apache video is perfect example. There is no crime there but can be used to stoke anger. Classifying stuff like this is not new, its was done during just about every war for the last 100 years. Why, because it aids, in the form of propaganda, the enemy.
    3. He weakened diplomacy severely. Funny, the most damage he did was to the instrument of peace! Diplomacy is a high stakes poker game. You don't want your opponent (includes allies as you're trying for a resolution that is most beneficial to you) knowing your cards. He showed our cards.

    My biggest problem with the Manning E-Minions is they put him up on pedestal as some hero whistleblower. HE'S NOT! The reason...he was indiscriminate in his release. He downloaded a bunch of info he had access to and just released it. If it had been one or two pieces of info, I'd say he's wading in whistle blower waters. But he just dumped the whole lot.

    Lastly, there are ways to handle something like this if he sees and perceives it to be illegal. Pretty simple, use your internal structure in the Army (there are oodles of routes he could have taken), if that fails, your elected representatives.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This information is vital to democracy. Secrecy is not good for democracy, its not good for the voters decisions. Will we punish all Whistleblowers now?

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    I fully agree that the government should not keep secrets from The People. Unless those secrets involve military tactics and equipment.

    BUT...

    What Manning did was wrong pure and simple. He did betray our country and is a traitor. String em up.
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