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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    If you want an informed reference on what Manning did wrong according to the UCMJ - here it is. There are a number of UCMJ articles that are brought against him, and may be more or less come trial time (the article explains this).

    But you have to know, the military doesn't just hand you a classification and send you off to work with classified material. There is training involved and testing to ensure you know just what your responsibilities are, and the possible consequences if you screw the pooch.

    Doesn't matter if Manning sold or gave the info away. Doesn't really matter, for most of the charges, what the actual contents of that classified info are. What matters is that he shared protected classified material with non-classified folks. That right there is a serious charge.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If you want an informed reference on what Manning did wrong according to the UCMJ - here it is. There are a number of UCMJ articles that are brought against him, and may be more or less come trial time (the article explains this).

    But you have to know, the military doesn't just hand you a classification and send you off to work with classified material. There is training involved and testing to ensure you know just what your responsibilities are, and the possible consequences if you screw the pooch.

    Doesn't matter if Manning sold or gave the info away. Doesn't really matter, for most of the charges, what the actual contents of that classified info are. What matters is that he shared protected classified material with non-classified folks. That right there is a serious charge.
    Oh lord, the training and testing. Oh so much. Oh so boring.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wouldn't call him a traitor because he didn't sell these "secrets" to any particular entity.
    I looked up many definitions of the word traitor. All of them included betrayal, none said anything about "selling" anything. Sorry!
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This information is vital to democracy. Secrecy is not good for democracy, its not good for the voters decisions. Will we punish all Whistleblowers now?

    Thoughts?
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    Were his leaks worse than what the administration or whomever did talking to the NY Times.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Were his leaks worse than what the administration or whomever did talking to the NY Times.
    Yes, for a couple of reasons.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Were his leaks worse than what the administration or whomever did talking to the NY Times.
    Well, if it was "the administration" they may have had authority to "leak" that information. PsyOps does it all the time. But again, the content, and whether it was "damaging" or not is superfluous. If you reveal classified information that you are party to because of your classification level to non-classified folks without command authorization - that's a crime that carries severe penalties.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    lol
    Meaningless tripe.
    Of course its "meaningless tripe" to you because it clearly lays out war crimes committed.

    Really?
    You can't figure out that we were speaking about our Government? Which is the subject from which I quoted you.
    They is a loose term. All im saying..



    I can't believe that you are asking such.
    Were you not taught the difference in School.
    Were you not able to distinguish the difference in how they both were used?
    I have been told from school we are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC from day one.

    We are a Republic.
    A Republic entails certain aspects of democracy, but it is not a Democracy.
    Like representative democracy!

    Which is an aspect of our Republic. Doesn't change the fact that we are a Republic.
    Im not claiming that we are not a republic im claiming we are a democratic republic


    And?
    Did anybody say it wasn't?
    But way to miss the main gist of the information provided.

    "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,"
    United States Constitution




    It was used as an example that even back then, after our founding, it was understood that we were a Republic.


    Exactly. A Republic.
    Which entails certain aspects of democracy, but not a democracy in itself.

    I am happy that it is settled.
    Im not claiming that we are not a republic....


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Were his leaks worse than what the administration or whomever did talking to the NY Times.
    I'd say they both belong in Jail!
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    because it clearly lays out war crimes committed.
    No it doesn't.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I have been told from school we are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC from day one.

    ...

    Im not claiming that we are not a republic im claiming we are a democratic republic

    Im not claiming that we are not a republic....

    We are a Republic.

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