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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    He leaked information to someone that was not an American. I might have had an inkling of sympathy for him if he had given the info to an American. But he didn't. He gave the info to a foreign national. That is what makes him a traitor.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes its exactly what he did and various information on how our government conducts business with other countries.
    No that is not exactly what he did.
    What he did was violate law by releasing information that he thought would put him in the good grace of others.
    What he did was violate the law.
    He definitely did not expose any crimes and what he released only showed how the government acted in specific instances.
    Do you somehow think that the way they acted has been changed by his release? lol


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhh you do realize you can be a democracy and a republic at the same time. To people seriously not know what a republic is? We are a democratic republic. We use representative democracy and elect representatives for us to conduct governmental work.
    Obviously people do not know what the US is since they have to be schooled.
    So listen up.

    A Republic entails certain aspects of democracy, but it is not a Democracy.
    Even with those aspects of democracy, we are still a Republic.

    We are a Republic, and were meant to be a Republic.
    And a Republic for good reasons.

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    This clause, sometimes referred to as the Guarantee Clause, has historically been a part of the debate about the rights of citizens vis-a-vis state governments. The Guarantee Clause mandates that all U.S. states must be grounded in republican principles, such as consent of the governed.

    The Constitution does not explain what exactly constitutes a republican government. However, the Federalist Papers give us an insight as to the intent of the Founders. A republican form of government is distinguished from a pure democracy, which the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid; as James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 10, "Hence it is that such [pure] democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Put 'em in a cell and weld the door shut. Push his food through a slot and let nature take it's course.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Put 'em in a cell and weld the door shut. Push his food through a slot and let nature take it's course.
    Thats the lightly outcome. He's clearly guilty on most of the charges, be interested in the approach the prosecution is taking for the Aiding the Enemy charge (the most serious). Even if that doesn't stand, he's likely going to be locked up a for a really long time. I see him being made an example of. I'd like to see some hard labor thrown onto the sentence as well. On top of that, doubt he'll be the most popular guy in the military penal system either.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This information is vital to democracy. Secrecy is not good for democracy, its not good for the voters decisions. Will we punish all Whistleblowers now?

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    This is good news.It means the judges is not listening to conspiracy-tards, socialist anti-American trash and other loons. That rat traitor should fave the firing squad. A soldier as far as I know has no authority to declassify info nor did he have any business releasing any classified info. If the military doesn't throw the book at him then this will encourage other traitors in the military.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats the lightly outcome. He's clearly guilty on most of the charges, be interested in the approach the prosecution is taking for the Aiding the Enemy charge (the most serious). Even if that doesn't stand, he's likely going to be locked up a for a really long time. I see him being made an example of. I'd like to see some hard labor thrown onto the sentence as well. On top of that, doubt he'll be the most popular guy in the military penal system either.
    I hadn't thought of that. No, I can't see him being the most popular guy on his cell block either.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Did anyone actually read any of those cables? There was too much information. Even the media skim read through most of it, and the few things that they hilighted wouldn't have even been read by the general public, supposing that they could even find them.

    I would like for someone to post a link to the most damaging of the cables that the media brought to light. Everything that I've seen so far has been pretty tame.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Did anyone actually read any of those cables? There was too much information. Even the media skim read through most of it, and the few things that they hilighted wouldn't have even been read by the general public, supposing that they could even find them.

    I would like for someone to post a link to the most damaging of the cables that the media brought to light. Everything that I've seen so far has been pretty tame.
    What is contained in the cables is actually somewhat irrelevant. It is not what was in them, but the fact that he choose to give themk to some one who did not have clearance. If I hold up a gas station at gunpoint and there is only 5 bucks in the regester, that does not change the fact that I held up a gas station at gunpoint.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No that is not exactly what he did.
    What he did was violate law by releasing information that he thought would put him in the good grace of others.
    What he did was violate the law.
    He definitely did not expose any crimes and what he released only showed how the government acted in specific instances.
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    Do you somehow think that the way they acted has been changed by his release? lol
    What?
    Who is they?




    Obviously people do not know what the US is since they have to be schooled.
    So listen up.
    Ok master.

    A Republic entails certain aspects of democracy, but it is not a Democracy.
    D? d?
    Whats the differnce?

    Even with those aspects of democracy, we are still a Republic.
    We are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. You can be a ****ing republic and a democracy at the same time.

    We are a Republic, and were meant to be a Republic.
    And a Republic for good reasons.
    Yes we are a republic but we also practice REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.

    Republican government
    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, [...]

    This clause, sometimes referred to as the Guarantee Clause, has historically been a part of the debate about the rights of citizens vis-a-vis state governments. The Guarantee Clause mandates that all U.S. states must be grounded in republican principles, such as consent of the governed.

    The Constitution does not explain what exactly constitutes a republican government. However, the Federalist Papers give us an insight as to the intent of the Founders. A republican form of government is distinguished from a pure democracy, which the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid; as James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 10, "Hence it is that such [pure] democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."


    Article Four of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    that quote from Federalist No 10 is talking about pure democracy. Not representative democracy....

    Even our Pledge reiterates that we are a Republic.
    Yayyyyy!!! Something your forced to say in school says it so it must be true.
    If we are not a democratic republic then who do we elect every few years in our states congresses and for the national congress every few years?





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    Your right it is: Republic: A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch



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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    lol
    Meaningless tripe.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Do you somehow think that the way they acted has been changed by his release? lol
    What?
    Who is they?
    Really?
    You can't figure out that we were speaking about our Government? Which is the subject from which I quoted you.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok master.
    Shirley, you jest.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    D? d?
    Whats the differnce?
    I can't believe that you are asking such.
    Were you not taught the difference in School.
    Were you not able to distinguish the difference in how they both were used?


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. You can be a ****ing republic and a democracy at the same time.
    We are a Republic.
    A Republic entails certain aspects of democracy, but it is not a Democracy.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes we are a republic but we also practice REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
    Which is an aspect of our Republic. Doesn't change the fact that we are a Republic.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    that quote from Federalist No 10 is talking about pure democracy. Not representative democracy....
    And?
    Did anybody say it wasn't?
    But way to miss the main gist of the information provided.

    "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,"
    United States Constitution


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yayyyyy!!! Something your forced to say in school says it so it must be true.

    It was used as an example that even back then, after our founding, it was understood that we were a Republic.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Your right it is: Republic: A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

    Exactly. A Republic.
    Which entails certain aspects of democracy, but not a democracy in itself.

    I am happy that it is settled.

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