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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Manning is a coward and acting horribly. I hope they throw the book at him and that he spends the rest of his life in prison. He is no hero, he is scum.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Revealing crimes, and various other cables on how our government conducts business is vital to democracy.
    Is that what you think he did?
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Free Bradley Manning!

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

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    Free Bradley Manning!
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You may think so but the military believes that what Manning did is a crime. The worst type of crime. Espionage and treason are acts that you believe are vital to democracy? Your thought process is extremely twisted.
    Really what part of this is treasonous? Releasing various information about crimes? And how our government conducts business with other countries? Really sounds like he did some damaging acts there.... Didnt know that was treasonous. You know releasing information to the people. You know "we the people"?

    Who knows maybe im just a "twisted information" because i think having a open government is a good thing.


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Is that what you think he did?
    lol
    Yes its exactly what he did and various information on how our government conducts business with other countries.


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    Uhh you do realize you can be a democracy and a republic at the same time. To people seriously not know what a republic is? We are a democratic republic. We use representative democracy and elect representatives for us to conduct governmental work.


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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    He also violated an agreement mandating that classified information such as these documents never be released to foreign and outside sources as a prerequisite for accessing such information. We can argue about the merit of his intentions, but that doesn't change the fact that he allegedly violated military law.
    It's technologically impossible to put out any information only domestically. All news is international news now. It is a distinction that needs to be changed.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really what part of this is treasonous? Releasing various information about crimes? And how our government conducts business with other countries? Really sounds like he did some damaging acts there.... Didnt know that was treasonous. You know releasing information to the people. You know "we the people"?

    Who knows maybe im just a "twisted information" because i think having a open government is a good thing.
    While treasonous is a stretch, if the charges against him are true he is guilty of a number of very serious crimes. There are in place procedures to follow if you beleive material is classified for inapropriate reasons. There are whistleblower programs open to the military. Releasing documents on his own judgement is illegal, and if he is found to have done that, he will probably spend time outside a prison again, and rightly so.

    One of the things that makes this a great country is we have laws, laws to protect us as individuals, and laws to protect us as a society. Manning allegedly chose to break those laws, and if found guilty will pay the penalty for doing so. This is just and proper. Whether you think the material he released should have been classified or not is irrelevant. It was classified. Whether you want some imaginary "open government" utopian ideal that will never happen or not is irrelevant. The law is the law, and it is the duty of the government (of we the people) to uphold and defend that law.
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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    He shouldn't have released the info. Treason is a terrible accusation. Up to the military court to decide, of course, but it's not inapplicable here.

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    Re: Judge refuses to drop charges in Manning case

    I also do not see what he did as treasonous, illegal certainly, but not treasonous. There is a difference in what he did and, say, secretly slipping the information to the Chinese. I don't think he deserves life in prison. Had he been more selective in what he released I would even say he should get time served. But he leaked information he hadn't even vetted. That deserves a longer sentence in my book. I am the kind of person who think intent should matter in sentencing though, so I will be disappointed if he gets life. But he knew the risk he was taking.

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