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    French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    The confirmation of the timetable comes hours after four French soldiers were killed and five others wounded.The Taliban said one of their suicide bombers carried out the attack on a Nato convoy in Kapisa province.
    Withdrawing French troops by the end of 2012 had been one of Mr Hollande's election pledges.
    The date means that French forces will leave the country two years before the main Nato pullout.
    Violence has risen across the country in recent weeks, with the Taliban targeting both the Afghan forces and the 130,000 foreign troops remaining in the country.



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    France is running, wow, so what's the news?

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    France is running, wow, so what's the news?
    Well, 11 years later why are any of us still there? It's time for all of us to leave. Besides, it's only France. One only has to look at their activity in Afghanistan and their casuality list in comparison to our truer allies to see how little France's absence is going to be felt. They boldly and pompously criticized our efforts to remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq even though they were among the first to rush an embassy into Baghdad after the deed was done. They criticized America for not doing enough in Libya even after leading the air campaign before handing it over to NATO "leadership" (when most of the bombing had ceased). So is France really dissapointing anybody? France is France.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

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    Obviously, this is a decision that is fully within the control of the new French President. He's implementing it to demonstrate credibility with regard to his campaign promises. A much more difficult task lies ahead on an assortment of other issues that are not fully or even largely under the control of the French President.

    There would have been few benefits for France in prolonging its participation. First, Afghanistan continues to muddle along under an inherently flawed strategy that is Kabul- and Karzai-centric. The marginal benefits of continued participation are likely minimal, at best, for France. Second, it is likely that NATO's calculations took into consideration the probability of a French pullout in 2012. Third, French domestic opinion has been against open-ended French participation and, in part, the change in leadership reflected domestic sentiment on that issue. Keep in mind, that this description is based on France's national interest, as all nations ultimately act in their national interest, not for altruistic reasons that are divorced from their interests. Needless to say, this decision is not wholly consistent with U.S. interests, as it amplifies the difficulties of U.S. forces in Afghanistan albeit for a temporary period, given NATO's adopted timeline. Nevertheless, this decision does not take away from the reality that France made a valuable contribution to U.S. interests in its participation in Afghanistan.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Now thats how you pull out America. Take some notes.

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    And,

    Australia also making plans to withdraw:
    Australia set to withdraw troops early from Afghanistan

    Canadian forces leave Afghanistan as mission ends


    NATO's Pull Out of Afghanistan

    "NATO's Chicago summit seems to have put the organization's pull out of Afghanistan onto a shorter timeline. The mission in Afghanistan is a losing battle. The country is a tough nut to crack. NATO and the US is the third military superpower that could not handle an occupation of Afghanistan. First there was the British Imperial Army in the 19th century, then the Soviet Army in the 1980s, and now the American led NATO mission which have all failed to effectively control the country. It is no surprise that many US allies are planning to pull out of the country as soon as possible. France and Canada has recently announced that they plan on pulling out by the end of 2012, and Obama himself has shortened the US mission to end by December 31st 2013 instead of 2014."

    NATO's Pull Out of Afghanistan
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    the Taliban have been taken out of power , Bin laden is dead and gone, Al Queada is an international joke..... time to come on home and watch liberals declare defeat.

    I don't care what the French do...go, stay, whatever.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the Taliban have been taken out of power , Bin laden is dead and gone, Al Queada is an international joke..... time to come on home and watch liberals declare defeat.

    I don't care what the French do...go, stay, whatever.
    We have a corrupt puppet head in power elected via electoral fraud, nepotism, majority of Afghans dont support the gov, Taliban still a fighting force.
    Mission complete?


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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We have a corrupt puppet head in power elected via electoral fraud, nepotism, majority of Afghans dont support the gov, Taliban still a fighting force.
    Mission complete?
    complete enough for me.... but if you wish, you can always petition Obama to stay longer.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    complete enough for me.... but if you wish, you can always petition Obama to stay longer.
    Or how about we leave cuz this place is just about to impossible "to fix".


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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Now thats how you pull out America. Take some notes.

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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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