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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or how about we leave cuz this place is just about to impossible "to fix".
    It is "fixed." It is not Vermont.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    No, it wouldn't be nice. It would catastrophic for millions of innocent people including millions of children whose only "crime" happens to be that they were born in the ME. Their lives are just as valuable as any other innocent civillian living anywhere else in the world.
    Like I said, warn them. Give them time to get out of dodge. History shows that the ME is nothing more than a hotbed for misery and wars. It needs to stop...one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Like I said, warn them. Give them time to get out of dodge. History shows that the ME is nothing more than a hotbed for misery and wars. It needs to stop...one way or another.
    And you'll accept those people into your country with open arms?
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    And you'll accept accept those people into your country with open arms?
    On the condition that they follow our laws to the letter yes. If they start any fighting like whats been going on in the ME then they will automatically be kicked out.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Personally I think that everyone in the ME be giving a warning to leave by X date. Warn them that if they don't leave then they will be caught in the nuclear blasts that will turn the whole of the ME into one giant glass basin.

    Would be nice. Not saying actually DO it. But it would be nice. Unfortenately the nuclear fallout would affect the rest of the world.

    That whole area has been nothing but a warzone for the past couple thousand years at least. I doubt that it will stop any time with in the next 500 years. I wonder if its the water?
    I strongly disagree. Such an approach would sacrifice the vast majority of the region's people who are civilians. It would amount to one of history's worst crimes against humanity.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I strongly disagree. Such an approach would sacrifice the vast majority of the region's people who are civilians. It would amount to one of history's worst crimes against humanity.
    Victory is always forgiven. One doesn't have to look hard to see this truth.

    Our wars have been such a mess since the unconditional surrrenders of World War II because we have made the mistake of using our unprecedented power to add a streak of morality to our military action. Survival has always been about slaughter, not right and wrong. Currently, we survive only because we can afford to play morality games in the absence of military and economic competition. Historically, our "moral high ground" has largely been about what we do for ourselves internally and refuse to do with our raw power externally. Actually applying our morality to our trigger pulling is what has damaged that moral high ground.

    We have proven more than capable of climbing into the global gutter, play their game, and then climb out. We send troops over seas to murder and they return to raise families and pick up where they left off. Either we temporarily pull the trigger correctly or we put up walls and deny the existence of the land across the oceans. Either way, our morality needs to stay within our borders. It has no place in the old world where World Wars, Cold Wars, ethnic cleansings and genocides are constant.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Victory is always forgiven. One doesn't have to look hard to see this truth.

    Our wars have been such a mess since the unconditional surrrenders of World War II because we have made the mistake of using our unprecedented power to add a streak of morality to our military action. Survival has always been about slaughter, not right and wrong. Currently, we survive only because we can afford to play morality games in the absence of military and economic competition. Historically, our "moral high ground" has largely been about what we do for ourselves internally and refuse to do with our raw power externally. Actually applying our morality to our trigger pulling is what has damaged that moral high ground.

    We have proven more than capable of climbing into the global gutter, play their game, and then climb out. We send troops over seas to murder and they return to raise families and pick up where they left off. Either we temporarily pull the trigger correctly or we put up walls and deny the existence of the land across the oceans. Either way, our morality needs to stay within our borders. It has no place in the old world where World Wars, Cold Wars, ethnic cleansings and genocides are constant.

    Your views are the same as the terrorists.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    WTF would you know about combat operations or Afghanistan?
    Ohh im sorry for giving my opinion on the matter. You know being a taxpayer and not a "front line soldier" i guess that means i should just keep my mouth shut and not have an opinion on the matter.


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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohh im sorry for giving my opinion on the matter. You know being a taxpayer and not a "front line soldier" i guess that means i should just keep my mouth shut and not have an opinion on the matter.
    Some evidently forget that the military is under civilian command.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes. Welcome to the Muslim world......

    1) Afghanistan was never going to be Vermont. Pretending it is to criticize will always offer the protestor a satisfactory level of failure.
    Ive never claimed its going to be Vermont.


    2) Nepotism and gross corruption is within their culture. Always has been. We are not there to change their culture. That's their job.



    4) The majority of Afghans do support the Afghan government. Favorable polls of Karzai have dipped over the last three years, but in the past has been as high as 90 percent.
    Polls are no where near 90%. The highest poll ive seen is around 51% and the lowest ive seen is as low as 32%.



    .....And "Puppet" is a word overplayed anymore. Every protestor in the world calls his and other governments "puppets." Most of the world has voter fraud, even the U.S. Find a new tag word to mount your protests.
    Voter fraud at the level of Karzai is not a "democracy".


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