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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ahhh, so you would have invaded Afghanistan just as Bush did and put us into a protracted and costly war with little or no strategic value.


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    No, I would not have invaded and occupied a country that neither attacked us, or were of any military threat to us. Same with Vietnam and Iraq.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or how about we leave cuz this place is just about to impossible "to fix".
    Or how about we leave cuz this place is just about to impossible "to fix".[/QUOTE]Thats the problem. There never should have been a 'fix' attempt. Bush made the same mistake in Afghanistan that he made in Iraq. The 'war' for both ended in a few short months. The enemy...the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein in Iraq were ousted, the people were given an opportunity to elect leadership, and we should have given both countries finite timetables and pulled out a long time ago. The success or failure of their country does not depend on anyone but themselves.

    We are currently a rudderless ship in Afghanistan. The soldiers dont know what their mission is. The next wave is about to rotate in and are already asking...what is our mission directive? Our biggest enemy in the country is not the Taliban...them we can fight. No...the biggest enemy in Afghanistan and threat to our military's security there is Kharzai himself. He has spent the last few years denigrating our troops and our presence and he wastes no opportunity to slam the soldiers there fighting and dying for his country.

    We should have been done there a long time ago. Another day...another life...for those miserable assholes...sorry...just not worth it.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I would not have invaded and occupied a country that neither attacked us, or were of any military threat to us. Same with Vietnam and Iraq.
    ok.. so you would exit as fast as physically possible a country you didn't invade.... mmmmk

    alright, you've told us what you wouldn't do... now tell us what you would do.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok.. so you would exit as fast as physically possible a country you didn't invade.... mmmmk
    Don't know if you noticed, but they didn't do what I would have done. They invaded and occupied Afghanistan.

    alright, you've told us what you wouldn't do... now tell us what you would do.

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Don't know if you noticed, but they didn't do what I would have done. They invaded and occupied Afghanistan.



    About what?
    you haven't told us what your response would be to 9/11 ( you can add in Iraq if ya want)

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Personally I think that everyone in the ME be giving a warning to leave by X date. Warn them that if they don't leave then they will be caught in the nuclear blasts that will turn the whole of the ME into one giant glass basin.

    Would be nice. Not saying actually DO it. But it would be nice. Unfortenately the nuclear fallout would affect the rest of the world.

    That whole area has been nothing but a warzone for the past couple thousand years at least. I doubt that it will stop any time with in the next 500 years. I wonder if its the water?
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you haven't told us what your response would be to 9/11 ( you can add in Iraq if ya want)
    In regards to 9/11 attack, I would have done what the Rand Corp recommended in their report commissioned by the Pentagon.

    How Terrorist Groups End
    Implications for Countering al Qa'ida


    "These findings suggest that the U.S. approach to countering al Qa'ida has focused far too much on the use of military force. Instead, policing and intelligence should be the backbone of U.S. efforts."

    "A more effective U.S. approach would involve a two-front strategy:

    * Make policing and intelligence the backbone of U.S. efforts. Al Qa'ida consists of a network of individuals who need to be tracked and arrested. This requires careful involvement of the Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as their cooperation with foreign police and intelligence agencies.
    * Minimize the use of U.S. military force. In most operations against al Qa'ida, local military forces frequently have more legitimacy to operate and a better understanding of the operating environment than U.S. forces have. This means a light U.S. military footprint or none at all.

    Key to this strategy is replacing the war-on-terrorism orientation with the kind of counterterrorism approach that is employed by most governments facing significant terrorist threats today. Calling the efforts a war on terrorism raises public expectations — both in the United States and elsewhere — that there is a battlefield solution. It also tends to legitimize the terrorists' view that they are conducting a jihad (holy war) against the United States and elevates them to the status of holy warriors. Terrorists should be perceived as criminals, not holy warriors."

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_br...51/index1.html

    In terms of Iraq, since I am not beholden to big oil, I would have done nothing as Iraq was of no military threat to us or their neighbors after the Persian Gulf war and 10 years of sanctions.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: BBC News - French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Now thats how you pull out America. Take some notes.

    Thoughts?
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    WTF would you know about combat operations or Afghanistan?

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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Personally I think that everyone in the ME be giving a warning to leave by X date. Warn them that if they don't leave then they will be caught in the nuclear blasts that will turn the whole of the ME into one giant glass basin.

    Would be nice. Not saying actually DO it. But it would be nice. Unfortenately the nuclear fallout would affect the rest of the world.

    That whole area has been nothing but a warzone for the past couple thousand years at least. I doubt that it will stop any time with in the next 500 years. I wonder if its the water?
    No, it wouldn't be nice. It would catastrophic for millions of innocent people including millions of children whose only "crime" happens to be that they were born in the ME. Their lives are just as valuable as any other innocent civillian living anywhere else in the world.
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    Re: French troop pullout from Afghanistan to start in July

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We have a corrupt puppet head in power elected via electoral fraud, nepotism, majority of Afghans dont support the gov, Taliban still a fighting force.
    Mission complete?
    Yes. Welcome to the Muslim world......

    1) Afghanistan was never going to be Vermont. Pretending it is to criticize will always offer the protestor a satisfactory level of failure.

    2) Nepotism and gross corruption is within their culture. Always has been. We are not there to change their culture. That's their job.

    3) Historically, the Pashtun have always been acceptable stewards of governance by the various tribes in the territory. In fact, the periods of successs within this territory have alwys involved Pashtun governance. It is also widely accepted that the Pashtun have better administrative skills to organize.

    4) The majority of Afghans do support the Afghan government. Favorable polls of Karzai have dipped over the last three years, but in the past has been as high as 90 percent.

    5) The Talban will always be a fighting force until the Talban discovers what the Muslim Bortherhood did, which is that violence is not the path to true power anymore.


    Our mission has long been accomplished. We are just lingering along to offer greater base stability among the ANA and the ANP. If the ANP and the ANA completely disrupt current governance after we leave then so be it. Our mission was to get Bin Laden and to rid the country of Taliban leadership. Well, Bin Laden is dead and the Taliban have found the comforts of Pakistani villages to lick their wounds. "Nation building" was introduced later by idiots who felt they needed to add a streak of morality to our mission of revenge.

    .....And "Puppet" is a word overplayed anymore. Every protestor in the world calls his and other governments "puppets." Most of the world has voter fraud, even the U.S. Find a new tag word to mount your protests.

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