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Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, negativ

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Obama wants more gov employees? THAT will fix the economy? 38000 more fed employees on his watch isn't enough????????????

"First, let’s look at federal government employment, which accounts for just 13 percent of all government employment. The number of federal workers has increased by 38,000 over the same period -- an increase of 1.4 percent.

And if you separate out the U.S. Postal Service, the growth was even bigger. Non-postal federal employment -- about 10 percent of all government employment -- increased over the same period by 139,000 workers, or 6.7 percent."

PolitiFact | Paul Krugman says government jobs have fallen by half million since January 2009

Obama's statement wasn't restricted to the federal government. In fact a lot of the stimulus bill's aid was directed to the states so that they could avoid mass layoffs. And, point of fact, Politifact rated Krugman's statement "true", which it obviously was when you look at the bls data.
 
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Good he should be the guys scum!
 
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Just a point here...I could vote for for Santa Clause Noam chomsky Ron Paul and it won't make a bit of difference in the State I live in.

Same here in the late great golden state. The candidates aren't even bothering to air ads lying about each other and beating their own chests here. Democrats think they have it in the bag, and Republicans have given up on our multitudes of electoral votes.

We should do away with the winner take all electoral vote, but then, we'd have to endure those negative ads.
 
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What do you see beginning in 1981?

I see a rise nowhere as steep as the one starting in 2009.
 
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Obama's statement wasn't restricted to the federal government. In fact a lot of the stimulus bill's aid was directed to the states so that they could avoid mass layoffs. And, point of fact, Politifact rated Krugman's statement "true", which it obviously was when you look at the bls data.

This is what Obama said in 2009 while stumping for the Stimulus......

More than 90 percent of the jobs created by this plan will be in the private sector. They're not going to be make-work jobs, but jobs doing the work that America desperately needs done: jobs rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges, repairing our dangerously deficient dams and levees so that we don't face another Katrina.

Transcript: Obama takes questions on economy - CNN.com

So did Obama lie, make a mis-statement or a false statement? Had he told the folks getting laid off in the private sector that they would be paying to keep government workers employed, what do you think was going to happen? Lose 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate at the 2010 mid-term? Government workers unemployment has remained 5% or less through the whole crash. Private sector workers were losing their homes after getting laid off while our government spent our tax money keeping government workers employed. The opposite of what Obama promise while stumping for the spending bill.
 
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Obama's statement wasn't restricted to the federal government. In fact a lot of the stimulus bill's aid was directed to the states so that they could avoid mass layoffs. And, point of fact, Politifact rated Krugman's statement "true", which it obviously was when you look at the bls data.

The unemployment level of state workers is 4.2%, I think they are doing just fine. In some states they do even better , like Nevada for instance.

37 of 17,000 state workers lose jobs from budget cuts - Friday, July 1, 2011 | 2 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

A fifth round of budget cuts will take effect today, as the state implements the budget passed by the Legislature and signed by the governor. To hear the chorus of elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, government has been cut to the bone as the Great Recession has dragged on.

But in one respect, the new budget’s effect is slight. Out of the almost 17,000 state employees, only 37 have received layoff notices effective today, the start of the new fiscal year.

State workers have once again largely escaped this recession’s cruelest effect — job loss — with a combination of increased retirements, elimination of vacant positions and cuts to pay and benefits.
 
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Did he leave?
 
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The unemployment level of state workers is 4.2%, I think they are doing just fine. In some states they do even better , like Nevada for

What does that even mean? The unemployment level of state workers is, by definition, 0%.

But nationally state and local governments have shed well over half a million jobs since the start of the recession. This is in contrast to recessions under Reagan, GHWB, and GWB, when unemployment was ameliorated by increased government hiring.
 
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What does that even mean? The unemployment level of state workers is, by definition, 0%.

But nationally state and local governments have shed well over half a million jobs since the start of the recession. This is in contrast to recessions under Reagan, GHWB, and GWB, when unemployment was ameliorated by increased government hiring.

It means very few state workers have lost their jobs. It means the public sector is "doing just fine". It means obama as usual was fulla ****. It means we don't need to go further into debt to hire more gov workers and if we did it would not help the economy, it would indeed harm it.
 
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It means very few state workers have lost their jobs. It means the public sector is "doing just fine". It means obama as usual was fulla ****. It means we don't need to go further into debt to hire more gov workers and if we did it would not help the economy, it would indeed harm it.

It means nothing of the kind. The fact is that the public sector has been shedding jobs for three years.

While Friday's report of weak growth in U.S. March payrolls raised concerns about the pace of private-sector hiring, local government jobs remain a drag on the recovery, one that is not anticipated to end soon.

State and local governments for a time were able to shield public safety and education workforces from harmful cuts as the recession deepened. The 2009 federal stimulus fund helped offset lost tax revenue, but that money is gone.

Now, many cities and counties nationwide are facing the same dilemma as Chesapeake. Squeezed by depressed property tax revenues and cuts in state aid, they are chipping away at their workforces.

The result? The last three years of job losses at the state and local government level has been the most dramatic since Labor Department records began in 1955, according to a Reuters analysis.

Public-sector employees tended to have more job security, which in some ways helps during weak economic climates, as their steady demand for goods and services spread through the economy. The recent trend, conversely, can make things worse.

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.

Local governments have cut 482,000 jobs since the beginning of 2009. They added jobs in just two months since 2011 started. Previously, states only had two consecutive years of layoffs, 1995 and 1996, when they scrapped about 57,000 jobs, or about one-third of the 150,000 cut since the beginning of 2009.

FEATURE: Despite recovery, US public employees face more layoffs | Reuters
 
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It means nothing of the kind. The fact is that the public sector has been shedding jobs for three years.

And there you have the liberal way of thinking. Public sector hasn’t grown as fast as it has in recent years and those jobs that never existed in the first place are counted by you as lost jobs. I just don’t know how to respond to that warped logic, I’m speechless.
 
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And there you have the liberal way of thinking. Public sector hasn’t grown as fast as it has in recent years and those jobs that never existed in the first place are counted by you as lost jobs. I just don’t know how to respond to that warped logic, I’m speechless.

No, you're factually, undeniably wrong and Adam is right. The public sector has been shedding jobs on the whole for the past few years, not adding them. He even cited an article that showed that public sector jobs were being shed. Why do you have a problem with facts? Do you even read the posts you're responding to?
 
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And there you have the liberal way of thinking. Public sector hasn’t grown as fast as it has in recent years and those jobs that never existed in the first place are counted by you as lost jobs. I just don’t know how to respond to that warped logic, I’m speechless.
Speechless indeed, did you completely ignore the article you're referring to?

Local governments have cut 482,000 jobs since the beginning of 2009.

No "liberal" or "warped" logic at work here, state and local governments have not only foregone annual increases in public sector employment, they have layed off large amounts of employees as well.

EDIT: Beat me to it.
 
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Here is the truth, the real numbers, you libs are freakin insane!

The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is...

Posted by: Michael Mandel on April 03

…ah, come on, you know, the answer. It’s a good time to be part of the government.

According to today’s job market report, the unemployment rate for government workers is 2.8%.
The next lowest is 4.5% for private education and health services. Oddly enough, the unemployment rate for financial activities is only 6.8%.


The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is... - BusinessWeek
 
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And there you have the liberal way of thinking. Public sector hasn’t grown as fast as it has in recent years and those jobs that never existed in the first place are counted by you as lost jobs. I just don’t know how to respond to that warped logic, I’m speechless.

Federal + state + local ...

Jan/2001: 20,835,000
May/2003: 21,618,000
Jan/2009: 22,576,000
May/2012: 21,969,000


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

During Bush's first 40 months in office, 783,000 public sector jobs were added ... 1,741,000 were added during his 8 years. Compared with the 40 months under Obama where 607,000 public sector jobs were lost.

Had there been an increase of 783,000 public sector jobs like we had during Bush's first 40 months, the U3 unemployment rate would be at around 7.3%.

Furthermore, in typical rightwing hypocrisy, Conservatives, who say they are for smaller government, cheered for Bush who saw an increase in the public sector of 8% and they jeer for Obama who's seen a decrease of 3%.



:shrug::shrug::shrug:
 
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Here is the truth, the real numbers, you libs are freakin insane!

The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is...

Posted by: Michael Mandel on April 03

…ah, come on, you know, the answer. It’s a good time to be part of the government.

The next lowest is 4.5% for private education and health services. Oddly enough, the unemployment rate for financial activities is only 6.8%.


The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is... - BusinessWeek
The percentage looks fantastic at first glance, but the historical perspective tells another story entirely.

PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYMENT.jpg
 
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What does that even mean? The unemployment level of state workers is, by definition, 0%.

But nationally state and local governments have shed well over half a million jobs since the start of the recession. This is in contrast to recessions under Reagan, GHWB, and GWB, when unemployment was ameliorated by increased government hiring.

You really need to check your facts before posting BS!.

There were 22,738,000 government workers in December 2007 the official start of the recession. There are 22,390,000 government workers in May 2012. That's 348,000 not over half a million.

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
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The percentage looks fantastic at first glance, but the historical perspective tells another story entirely.

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That's only federal government.
 
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Here is the truth, the real numbers, you libs are freakin insane!

The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is...

Posted by: Michael Mandel on April 03

…ah, come on, you know, the answer. It’s a good time to be part of the government.

The next lowest is 4.5% for private education and health services. Oddly enough, the unemployment rate for financial activities is only 6.8%.


The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is... - BusinessWeek

The real numbers are that government jobs are still bleeding. So when are you going to own up to the lie you posted in post #186?
 
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The real numbers are that government jobs are still bleeding. So when are you going to own up to the lie you posted in post #186?

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.


Post I made in 186 stated you libs were attempting to count jobs that never existed as lost jobs by figuring in the historical rate of gov employee growth that didn’t happen. That is the liberal logic that has kept us from recovering economically and following Europe down the road to ruin. What lie???? Read the above quote, even it admits the real number of lost gov jobs is 2.5%

instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent
 
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Here is the truth, the real numbers, you libs are freakin insane!

The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is...

Posted by: Michael Mandel on April 03

…ah, come on, you know, the answer. It’s a good time to be part of the government.

The next lowest is 4.5% for private education and health services. Oddly enough, the unemployment rate for financial activities is only 6.8%.


The industry with the lowest unemployment rate is... - BusinessWeek

If they're government workers, then they're not unemployed, right?
 
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Oh come on. It was just as Jon Stewart put it a little verbal 'gaffe'. Gaffes are no big deal...when Obama says them.

Now...Romney of course followed suit and turned a perfectly good talking point into his own gaffe by attacking policemen, firemen and teachers. But hey...what do you expect. Both of these guys are clowns of the lowest order.
 
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Oh come on. It was just as Jon Stewart put it a little verbal 'gaffe'. Gaffes are no big deal...when Obama says them.

Now...Romney of course followed suit and turned a perfectly good talking point into his own gaffe by attacking policemen, firemen and teachers. But hey...what do you expect. Both of these guys are clowns of the lowest order.

Which one are you going to vote for?

Maybe we need to write in Jon Stewart.
 
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