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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    a) you're in no position to help. You should focus more on yourself than others.

    b) It's not a gorilla ... yet another mistake of yours.

    c) when you learn that a net gain of private sector jobs is not a net loss, as you falsely claimed, then you can talk about others' grasp of complex numbers. You couldn't even get simple numbers right. You called this a loss of private sector jobs ...


    Jan/2009: 110,985,000
    May/2012: 111,040,000

    BLS: Total private

    Orangatang? Sorry, I'm bored, raining all day AGAIN! Seriously though, your defending this economy is a joke.
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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    At least you finally now admit that the drop in the LFPR is due primarily (about 80%) to folks giving up looking rather than your earlier lame "baby boomer" excuse. Otherwise, your argument is still hopeless.
    Now you're making up more numbers. about 50% is due to baby boomers, according to the study I posted. Who knows where you got 80% from, but likely the same place where you dreamed that numbers expected in two years from now can be used to alter the unemployment rate today.


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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Orangatang? Sorry, I'm bored, raining all day AGAIN! Seriously though, your defending this economy is a joke.
    It's cute how of the 3 things I pointed out, you couldn't even refute the 2 more salient ones but instead, aimed for the low hanging fruit you thought you might have a chance at ...

    ... but sadly you got that one wrong too. No, that's not an orangutan either.

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    The record job growth is in China. [...]
    Sure if you are willing to live on next to nothing, and work under slave like conditions and piss on the environment.. [...]
    You just described Tea Party heaven

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    [QUOTE=Sheik Yerbuti;1060578053]And of course, debt has nothing to do with jobs. So who knows why you'd even mention it in that context?

    Debt has nothing to do with jobs? People are reluctant to invest because of the massive debt and the insecurity it brings. All you need do is look at Greece, Spain, or any third world countries. Of course debt is closely tied to the economy and the lack of jobs. That should be common knowledge, and probably is.

    No doubt that has put a strain on the system.
    Of course it has put a strain on the future because there will not be enough people to support the entitlements of the boomers. Again, that should be common knowledge.


    That doesn't even make sense given Liberals are progressive and Conservatives are status quo.
    Piling up unpayable debt is "Progressive"? Creating unsustainable entitlements is "Progressive"?

    In the 1950's the birth rate was higher and 'entitlements' may have made some sense had these rates continued. Of course they have not but "Progressives" continue to spend money and create 'entitlements' as though it is still the 1950's. They are well behind the times, and 'regressives' would be a more apt term.

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
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    The record job growth is in China. That record job growth could be in the US if the environmental whack jobs would let us eliminate all the stupid rules which restrict business.
    Could you enumerate some of those rules for us?
    Just listen to Rush. Once every two or three weeks he lists laws supported by the environmental whackos that push job creation to China.
    Folks, I think he's serious

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Now you're making up more numbers. about 50% is due to baby boomers, according to the study I posted. Who knows where you got 80% from, but likely the same place where you dreamed that numbers expected in two years from now can be used to alter the unemployment rate today.

    ROFLMAO ... I went to the numbers in your study. You apparently assumed something in a quote of it referenced something that it did not. Maybe you made it up. I don't know. Its not in your study is what I do know.

    Here is what your study said. I'll type large for you, as I realize there are issues there.

    The impact on retiring baby boomers on the LFPR from 2004, through 2014, is a reduction of the rate by 0.4%. It has actually gone down by about 2.4% already, and we are not even yet to 2014. That's about 17%. Not 50%.

    You are correct though. Some posters are low-hanging fruit. Just not the ones they think

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Debt has nothing to do with jobs? People are reluctant to invest because of the massive debt and the insecurity it brings. All you need do is look at Greece, Spain, or any third world countries. Of course debt is closely tied to the economy and the lack of jobs. That should be common knowledge, and probably is.

    Piling up unpayable debt is "Progressive"? Creating unsustainable entitlements is "Progressive"?

    In the 1950's the birth rate was higher and 'entitlements' may have made some sense had these rates continued. Of course they have not but "Progressives" continue to spend money and create 'entitlements' as though it is still the 1950's. They are well behind the times, and 'regressives' would be a more apt term.
    Debt and anemic job growth don't necessarily go hand and hand, a quick glance at Reagan's tenure should tell you that.

    Entitlement spending and accumulation of debt is hardly exclusive to liberals. On a side note, what new entitlements are you speaking of?

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon, replying to another View Post
    No matter how you manipulate the numbers the private sector is not "doing just fine". There is another number too, the unemployment number which has gone up since obama took office as he and you claim more people are working.

    The numbers reported here, based on Bureau of Labor Statistics All jobs lost from the time Obama took office to "trough" (bottom of recession): .....4,317,000
    All jobs gained since "trough": ....3,577,000
    Net LOSS in seasonally-adjusted jobs since Obama took office: .... 740,000 numbers, are "net" numbers; that is, the number of jobs gained after the number of jobs lost is subtracted, or the number of jobs lost after the number of jobs gained is added. [...]
    Well, that's an incredibly stupid calculation since the boat was sinking when Obama took office. You don't really expect anyone to take that seriously, do you?

    It's kinda like setting the house on fire when you move out, then blaming the next occupant for the damage because it takes him a while to extinguish the flames. Like, duh.

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    Re: Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, neg

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Debt and anemic job growth don't necessarily go hand and hand, a quick glance at Reagan's tenure should tell you that.
    The United states is in serious debt and the "progressives" debate the past rather than the future. The stock market responded to what happened in Wisconsin with the hope that this trend will continue in November. That is the only hope America has right now.

    Entitlement spending and accumulation of debt is hardly exclusive to liberals. On a side note, what new entitlements are you speaking of?
    No, it is not exclusive to liberals. George Bush also enacted an entitlement act through prescription drugs, a huge error. But perhaps the greatest entitlement blunder since LBJ's "Great Society" is the threat of Obamacare.

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