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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, to be fair, most CHILDREN are not that responsible for where they are in life. LOL
    So you are calling Spud a child? Because he's blaming his station on his parents, for the most part. A child isn't responsible, but when they become adults, they have to start accepting some responsibility. Not everything is the fault of the parent - eventually the child becomes an adult, and is able to start correcting any mistakes his parents may have made. A 30 year old man with no house and no car isn't the fault of the parents, unless the parents continue to enable him.

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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because no-one taught us to be. Our parents would obligingly fix any mistakes we made.
    And when you are 40, and still have nothing, are you going to continually blame your parents? At what point do you start accepting personal responsibility? Is there a magic age?

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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    So you are calling Spud a child? Because he's blaming his station on his parents, for the most part. A child isn't responsible, but when they become adults, they have to start accepting some responsibility. Not everything is the fault of the parent - eventually the child becomes an adult, and is able to start correcting any mistakes his parents may have made. A 30 year old man with no house and no car isn't the fault of the parents, unless the parents continue to enable him.
    No, I'm using your word "kids" which is used to refer to children. Kids aka children are not responsible for themselves in any meaningful way. If you are referring to spud accurately under the presumption that he is responsible for himself, then perhaps you should have called him a man.

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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Kids aka children are not responsible for themselves in any meaningful way.
    Oh, I disagree. I expect my first graders to be responsible for their own behavior, bathroom habits, shoe-tying, keeping their desks clean, being kind to others, doing their homework, etc. Those are "meaningful" to children because school is their "job". If they aren't responsible children, then they're going to get into trouble, get bad grades, lose important papers.... Of course children should be taught those things by responsible adults (preferably parents, but in extreme situations - teachers or other adults). I always tell my students that they're in charge of how they act. They need to learn personal responsibility at a young age so they don't grow up to be weenie, selfish and undisciplined.


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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I like your comment here. The Reagan quote is true, you always hope your next generation goes farther.

    Do believe there is a natural tendency to want your children to have it better than you. I know I probably have spoiled my kids some as my own childhood was laden with a couple tradegies and want them to have better.

    The one thing I disagree with this thread is the typical generalization of a segment of the population. Unless you have met and talked with every youth I think it is narrow minded to think all can be considered leeches. I have seen even members of The Greatest Generation who were some of the most self absorbed , selfish people you could imagine but they are a minority.
    Thank you... I agree with wanting for them better than you had. There is a bit of a balancing act involved with providing better for mine than what I had. My main goal is to teach them to be responsible and never need for others to do for them. No matter a person's familial background, social standing, financial position or education there is nothing worse than choosing a marriage partner based on need; the person never grows, the relationship can be rife with resentment and finally resembles a business arrangement.

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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Those children just became adults. If they don't get off their butts and become productive, contributing members of society, they will literally be worthless, wasted nuisances.

    Also, your children are a nuisance to me. They compete with my children for resources. That's called "life."
    Really? That's how you view "life"? Wow...

    I'll remember that when you are driving on a road someone else's child built for your child. I hardly subscribe to the theory that life is a non-stop competition therefore tearing down your neighbor is preferred to helping your neighbor.
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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I could not disagree more.

    I tell my kids this: "Your mom and I love you. So do your grandparents and sisters and a few of your close friends. We feel and share in your pain and your joy.

    "But the rest of the world really doesn't care if you live or die. Your failures only clear the path for their successes. And think about it, we HAVE to be like that to a degree. Imagine how difficult life would be if we carried every tragedy with us all day and every day indefinitely? How could we get through the day knowing what happened in Sudan yesterday or at Auschitz half a century ago? People die and have horrible things happen to them every day. We have the instinctive capacity to press on and worry most about ourselves. It's necessary for survival.

    "And people certainly won't worry about your petty complaints. They'll fake sympathy, then forget about it altogether within seconds of walking away, just like you would. And if you drop the ball, someone will gladly step in and take your place. That's just the way people and life are. That's how we have to be to survive."

    I hope that doesn't sound cold, but it's absolutely the truth. It's just in our DNA.
    It's not nature (in our DNA), it's the nurture that you observed while you were growing up in a capitalist society. Capitalism makes us all competitors. People in Communist countries don't even understand our dog eat dog-ness. They don't play like that.

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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It's not nature (in our DNA), it's the nurture that you observed while you were growing up in a capitalist society. Capitalism makes us all competitors. People in Communist countries don't even understand our dog eat dog-ness. They don't play like that.
    Nature itself makes us all competitors.
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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    You know - after *watching* the guy's speech I now get what he was going after; reading his words without his tone, inflection and body language really made it seem angry and sour. But it didn't strike me as being that after I saw him say all of that.
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    Re: High school teacher tells graduating students: you’re not special

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Really? That's how you view "life"? Wow...

    I'll remember that when you are driving on a road someone else's child built for your child. I hardly subscribe to the theory that life is a non-stop competition therefore tearing down your neighbor is preferred to helping your neighbor.

    Wait a minute here....Liberals don't get to lecture about helping ones neighbor when their vision of this is not directly helping with their own resource, but rather taking from another to give to that neighbor.

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