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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If we think ObamaCare/RomneyCare is a bad idea, they why are we nominating Romney?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether I realized it or not is not the point. You said something incorrect.
    Incorrect? Where did i say something incorrect? Could you be more accurate?

    And no, no president, not Obama, not Bush, controls the economy. You give them too much credit and too much blame. It's a fools game.
    Well it's clear that the economy is out of control under Obama's watch so perhaps it's time the people elected a president who does have an understanding how the economy works.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Incorrect? Where did i say something incorrect? Could you be more accurate?
    Do you not read what you write:

    Yes, you've got half the population paying taxes and the other half not paying taxes, with the latter claiming the others don't pay enough.

    The whole thing is a misrepresentation, but the underlined part is false.




    Well it's clear that the economy is out of control under Obama's watch so perhaps it's time the people elected a president who does have an understanding how the economy works.
    Only to a nonthinking partisan. I repeat, no president controls the economy. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you not read what you write: Yes, you've got half the population paying taxes and the other half not paying taxes, with the latter claiming the others don't pay enough.
    Oh, yes, and that confused you because, despite mentioning BHO, you thought i might be referring to a sales tax, state tax, or some other tax that might be hovering somewhere in your imagination. Things have to be explained to you very carefully, I see.
    The whole thing is a misrepresentation, but the underlined part is false.
    Could you be more accurate please? Where was the misrepresentation or the inaccuracy?

    In the context of the conversation any normal person would readily understand the accuracy of the statement. That you don't understand context hardly makes the statement inaccurate. It only means you are easily befuddled.
    Only to a nonthinking partisan. I repeat, no president controls the economy. Sorry.
    You are sorry no president controls the economy? That means poor Barack Obama made all his promises for nada. If only he had known!

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oh, yes, and that confused you because, despite mentioning BHO, you thought i might be referring to a sales tax, state tax, or some other tax that might be hovering somewhere in your imagination. Things have to be explained to you very carefully, I see.
    It's a false statement. Simple as that.

    Could you be more accurate please? Where was the misrepresentation or the inaccuracy?

    In the context of the conversation any normal person would readily understand the accuracy of the statement. That you don't understand context hardly makes the statement inaccurate. It only means you are easily befuddled.
    Yes, you mentioned state taxes, but that's not all they pay:

    And the group doesn't necessarily get off scot-free when it comes to payroll taxes -- which support Social Security and Medicare.

    More than two-thirds -- or 49 million of the 69 million households -- pay payroll tax. Of those, 34 million end up paying more in payroll taxes than they get back on their federal return. The other 15 million pay payroll tax but they get enough refundable credits to offset what they paid

    45% of households owe no federal income tax for 2010 - Apr. 17, 2011

    ■These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[5] In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.
    ■Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In years like the last few, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)

    Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    SO, you see, you are both factually wrong, and you mnisrepresent the issue. This is typical of partisan silliness, but you shouldn't expect everyone to play.

    BTW, while none of us speak for everyone, many have only argued that letting the Bush tax cuts end, going back to a previous rate, would be fine. In that context, it has been noted how much the wealthy and business actually benefit from the government. Looking at the entire picture is fair.

    You are sorry no president controls the economy? That means poor Barack Obama made all his promises for nada. If only he had known!
    Yep, just all the others have. They know it normally is a Cyclical event, and hope that it will turn while they are in office. But, it garners voters if they can blame someone else and then take credit. Those who play that game, well, what is that about sheeple? So, you should have known. You should also know, because it is simple math, that if you shrink the government, you lose those jobs and it takes time, a lot of time for anything to swing around.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you not read what you write:

    Yes, you've got half the population paying taxes and the other half not paying taxes, with the latter claiming the others don't pay enough.

    The whole thing is a misrepresentation, but the underlined part is false.






    Only to a nonthinking partisan. I repeat, no president controls the economy. Sorry.
    So then by your statement, Clinton gets zero credit for the economic boom of the 90's? Hell, even I had given him some.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If we think ObamaCare/RomneyCare is a bad idea, they why are we nominating Romney?
    Good question. The GOP has been hijacked and currently, the voters are not left with a good conservative choice for candidates. I believe that Romney will not be strong enough or come off with enough of a difference to sway enough of the middle, and will not energize the base enough to overcome Obama. We will be looking at 4 more years unfortunately. During that four years though, there will be a political civil war within the GOP and either conservatives will branch off or they will overtake the neocon progressives. Not sure which way it will go.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If we think ObamaCare/RomneyCare is a bad idea, they why are we nominating Romney?
    Do you think Romney supports Obamacare? Or anything like it for the nation?
    TANSTAAFL

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Do you think Romney supports Obamacare? Or anything like it for the nation?
    Had Obama not implemented any health care reform... yes I think he would have.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are real differences between the two. Obama doesn't try and excuse torture as merely enhanced interogation techniques.

    The only difference is that one was bold and was forced to shoot his mouth off and the other is not. And enhanced interrogation techniques persist. We just don't talk about it anymore. Just like GITMO. Hell, even the use of dogs is ignored now. You have to admit how very passive CNN and Democrats have become. Crap they used to whine about is acceptable enough to ignore today. And FOX doesn't hit on these matters because they would appear as hypocrits for defending it under Bush. It's all BS and there really is no difference between the two. Why do you think Obama was quick to "forgive" the waterboarding under Bush once he entered the White House? The White House may have changed color, but the world did not. It was the same under Clinton. Bush was unlucky enough to have to be the face when all of this was being blasted in the media and protestors forced definitions and explanations in the heat of shallow protesting.
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