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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you are buying into the hype.
    The hype was very real in 2008. I remember it quite clearly. I laughed at the notion of "Obama the savior" as much as I rolled my eyes at the notion that a "vote for McCain is a vote for Bush." Of course, the other side was all about refusing to place a timeline on our Iraq exit despite Bush already laying it out and the military making preparations. Ask me who I voted for? Neither. They both had their heads up their asses. Obama's hype just had the benefit of promising to be the opposite of Bush. That was the hype. I'm a realist. I got what I expected. It's everybody else that wound up being dissapointed.

    Today, there isn't much hype going on at all. "Change" proved to be impractical. Obama seems to be stepping in it constantly these last couple months and attacking Romney seems to be his administration's only method to prove that it could be worse. If "Hope" and "Change" wasn't a hype, wouldn't he have a better record to stand on for re-election?

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The hype was very real in 2008. I remember it quite clearly. I laughed at the notion of "Obama the savior" as much as I rolled my eyes at the notion that a "vote for McCain is a vote for Bush." Of course, the other side was all about refusing to place a timeline on our Iraq exit despite Bush already laying it out and the military making preparations. Ask me who I voted for? Neither. They both had their heads up their asses. Obama's hype just had the benefit of promising to be the opposite of Bush. That was the hype. I'm a realist. I got what I expected. It's everybody else that wound up being dissapointed.

    Today, there isn't much hype going on at all. "Change" proved to be impractical. Obama seems to be stepping in it constantly these last couple months and attacking Romney seems to be his administration's only method to prove that it could be worse. If "Hope" and "Change" wasn't a hype, wouldn't he have a better record to stand on for re-election?
    Real? Most of it was a republican invention. Sure, there were some huge expectations, but not among anyone with any political awareness. BTW, Bush not only alid out the timeline, but made it public. He agreed, in public to the Iraqi timeline.

    As for stepping in it, I think both candidates have been doing a fair job at that. At the end of the day, there ahs to be a reasonable expectation that Romeny will be better. It's the nature of battling an incombant. At this point, I don't see that yet.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    The thread is about liberals being frustrated with Obama. You'd have to have lived in a cave somewhere to not know that Libbys hate Bush. So IMO, that fact is a given and doesn't need to be rehased on a thread about "frustrated Obama liberals".

    Of course you will say "this brings you judgement into question". That way you don't have to answer the thread question. This tactic isn't new and has been done over and over by others and IMO done better.

    As to the "if you don't watch or read much", I said I read newspapers, that's usually where most news stories on TV come from, right?

    IMO your comment "Is it really good to speak from a position of ignorance" would be better asked of yourself. And it's not the best dodge I've seen on DP. But it is your attempt to get off the hook.
    Question? I think you're still stuck in that loop of yours. I stated clearly that Obama did disappoint. That is a clear answer to the question. However, we went into specifics, and found you lack some knowledge. Read back, I have clearly point out things you did not know. Instead, you again rely on what you THINK you know.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pirvaya View Post
    @Boo Radley:

    Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. It's been busy here.

    At first blush we might dismiss Obama's as the usual fate of a moderate, appearing like "a big-government liberal" to Righties and as having "succumbed to the corporate influence" to Lefties. This is similar to the decline in the fortunes of CNN and of the Liberal parties in Canada, Australia and Britain: the centre gets squeezed out by the extremes. (It also explains why there will never be a viable third party in the U.S. until preferential voting or run-off elections are instituted...but I digress.)



    Actually, I meant what I said. I trust we agree that anyone who thinks Obama is prone to impulsive errors needs only ask poli-sci students about his 2008 campaigns. Pick an issue. Seriously. Any issue. Obama's decision to support same sex marriage? Dems who wondered why it took so long can look at the list of things he'd done previously and ask how they missed so many signs:

    eQualityGiving - Accomplishments by the Administration and Congress on LGBT Equality

    Note the predictable timing, too: rather than dodge a festering controversy Obama gets it out of the way early by "hanging a lantern on it", as he did in 2008 with Ayers, Wright and his father.

    Universal health care? Watch how this plays out, starting with the ACA opening gambit.

    Now consider any or all of the other initiatives that the Left is demanding from Obama. If he had attempted a quarter of these--even if they weren't doomed due to the obstructionist Congress--in his first term do you think there would be a second? Some think 2012 will be close enough as it is! No one understands the politics of the possible better than Obama.

    For his supporters, the second term is the payoff. The voters' decision to TP Congress a week after Hallowe'en, 2010, will have made its point. The RepTealian party will have failed in its singular, stated goal of unseating Obama and will fade into footnote. Its remnants will then have to turn their attention to {gasp!} serving their constituents and country. Statements by Jeb Bush and others are already presaging a Thermidorian reaction among Republicans. As for Obama's supporters, are they patient enough to let the 22nd Amendment play out? Do they understand that it takes 16 continuous years to change a nation's course fundamentally? For examples, see Reagan/Bush and the statesman with whom Obama has so much in common it's spooky:

    Commercial Poetry: The Politics of Coincidence

    Because it is like reviewing a movie in progress, Obama's far-seeing approach doesn't have long coattails. For example, compare the success of Obama's endorsements to those of Bill Clinton. If Democrats want four contiguous terms they may need to rely on a 69-year-old Hillary in 2016; right now, they lack the Republicans' bench strength (e.g. Jeb, Christie, Martinez, et cetera).

    Thanks for your interest, Boo.

    HTH,

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    Thanks for clarifying. I will keep this post in mind as it plays out.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Question? I think you're still stuck in that loop of yours. I stated clearly that Obama did disappoint. That is a clear answer to the question. However, we went into specifics, and found you lack some knowledge. Read back, I have clearly point out things you did not know. Instead, you again rely on what you THINK you know.

    Glad you can finally admit that Obama hasn't lived up to his hype.

    That was all the thread was about, like I said.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Glad you can finally admit that Obama hasn't lived up to his hype.

    That was all the thread was about, like I said.
    I didn't say hype. I said expectations. And I did that before we even started talking.

    But YOU started another conversation and then pleaded wrong topic to get out of your mess. I fully understand.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Someone thinks they are far more clever than they really are....Isn't that right Boo...*nudge, *nudge

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say hype. I said expectations. And I did that before we even started talking.

    But YOU started another conversation and then pleaded wrong topic to get out of your mess. I fully understand.


    Why is this always the tactic of the Libby. I was on topic, you on the other hand attempted dragging a "red herring" across the debate trail, trying to lead the topic somewhere else.

    Hype or expectations, President Obama isn't the leader he sold himself as, and we all bought the glam and glitter but what we gold was "fools gold".
    Last edited by Billy the Kid; 06-12-12 at 05:51 PM.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Why is this always the tactic of the Libby. I was on topic, you on the other hand attempted dragging a "red herring" across the debate trail, trying to lead the topic somewhere else.

    Hype or expectations, President Obama isn't the leader he sold himself as, and we all bought the glam and glitter but what we gold was "fools gold".
    That is just not accurate. You should go back and read.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Doesn't Obamas/Hillary Clintons embrace of Bush/Cheneys pre-emptive war doctrine, categorize them all as NeoCons now?

    Obamas foreign Policy is identical to Richard Pearls, Defense Policy Board, yes?
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Holy crap this post is so stupid i don't know where to begin.
    Don't you think there is something inherently evil about Obamas unending war machine in order to bolster American corporations at the expense of innocent lives?

    Now we have multiple regime changes at once by Obama/Hillary - Libya, Syria, while invoking 9/11 like Dubya, and if you think the goal in Iran is any less than over turning the government there, it is a short sighted viewpoint, is it not?


    These are Napoleonic wars, American style. France used to send off Napoleon to divide and conquer whenever the Treasury was empty, like the Great Britian of old.

    As was the case in Libya, the United States used NATO as a cover to seize Libyan oil, by doing a "Wag the Dog" (DeNiro) type humanitarian scenario, with the help of France and the UK who played a minor role. The same thing is now happening in Syria, a pretext of protecting civillians from "brutual dictatorship" in order to seize oil, much like Iraq.

    Of course, what the "liberal" media isn't telling you is that Obama and Hillary armed the rebels in both countries, and caused a majority of the casualties .

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