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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Good for you. Don't know who he is, but if you like him, then he's your man.

    I'm voting for Romney. Who's chance of winning are a great deal better and I'm looking for someone who has experience in running something bigger than a 7-11.
    Doesn't say much for you that you don't know who he is. Two term governor of New Mexico means he has a little more experience in governing than old Mitt. Perhaps Mitt could put in his application at the 7-11.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Your right we have "tried, convicted and housed" in the past. But IMO, the GITMO terrorist are a whole different problem. And IMO, Senator Obama should have known the "ins and outs" on this issue and not promised he'd have GITMO closed by the end of his 1st year in office. Rookie mistake? Or did he promise something he knew he couldn't pull off?

    That is what I'm talking about. President Obama hasn't the skills set to be POTUS. He opens his mouth says something ignorant, "the private sector is doing fine", and then has to walk it back. Either he won't listen to his advisors or his advisors are dumb as rocks. Either way he is the best example of Peter's Principle I've seen in a long time.

    Explain how they would be different. There is no logical difference that I can think of.

    And remember, we just had Bush as president who made serious mistakes, who was reckless, who got us into two was and occupying two countries. Seriously, how much credibility do you think those who supported Bush have in calling anyone inexperienced.

    The private sector issue is another issue, but define what is fine and what isn't.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not often that an army announces when it will be retreating. I believe that's a recent trend.
    We didn't announce in VN; how did that work out?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the American forces went in and did what they were capable of doing there would be a far less chance of a terrorist attack happening ever again. Doing something just halfway is why there was WWII and why they didn't repeat the same mistake when that was done. The aggressive countries were soundly beaten and Germany, Japan and Italy have been docile ever since, often to a fault.

    Churchill, MacArthur, Eisenhower or Patton would never have announced their time of departure from any battlefield, but now 'withdrawal' is often the second item on the agenda.

    Those leaders had the capability to do what the said they'd do. Today is war by committe and none on the committe wants to be accused of making a dicision, just in case it's wrong.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Explain how they would be different. There is no logical difference that I can think of.

    And remember, we just had Bush as president who made serious mistakes, who was reckless, who got us into two was and occupying two countries. Seriously, how much credibility do you think those who supported Bush have in calling anyone inexperienced.

    The private sector issue is another issue, but define what is fine and what isn't.

    President Obama had/has no experience. He talked the people into voting for him. Now it shows. He's picked a group that are inept, IMO.

    Bush was a businessman and the Gov or a state. Did he spend to much? Yup. Was the greatest? Probably not. But Bush was way ahead of Obama in in category.

    Obama doesn't have a clue as to how to get the country out of this depression. He hasn't a clue that govt doesn't create jobs, private industry/small business do. Taxpayers pay for govt jobs. And if the taxpayer is employed who pays the taxes that pay for the govt jobs?

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThongPounder View Post
    Doesn't say much for you that you don't know who he is. Two term governor of New Mexico means he has a little more experience in governing than old Mitt. Perhaps Mitt could put in his application at the 7-11.
    Good for your guy. But I'll still be voting for the only person running that has a snowballs chance of booting Obama.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    President Obama had/has no experience. He talked the people into voting for him. Now it shows. He's picked a group that are inept, IMO.

    Bush was a businessman and the Gov or a state. Did he spend to much? Yup. Was the greatest? Probably not. But Bush was way ahead of Obama in in category.

    Obama doesn't have a clue as to how to get the country out of this depression. He hasn't a clue that govt doesn't create jobs, private industry/small business do. Taxpayers pay for govt jobs. And if the taxpayer is employed who pays the taxes that pay for the govt jobs?
    I don't think you're addressing what I've said. I think you're stuck in a talking point loop.

    Bush made amjor mistakes. There's no way around that, and he made more than Obama has.

    BTW, if the government employees people, they pay taxes. Those taxes go to the government. Also, if you cut those jobs, you increase unemployment. There may be jobs to cut, but when we do, we have to say we're willing to have higher unemployment.

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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think you're addressing what I've said. I think you're stuck in a talking point loop.

    Bush made amjor mistakes. There's no way around that, and he made more than Obama has.

    BTW, if the government employees people, they pay taxes. Those taxes go to the government. Also, if you cut those jobs, you increase unemployment. There may be jobs to cut, but when we do, we have to say we're willing to have higher unemployment.


    I realize there are folks that hang on every word that comes from "their" partisian hacks, but I don't watch TV, except for local news. I do read papers with a grain of salt, but they do seem a tad better than the normal blather from those everyone calls the mainstream media.

    Not gonna argue the "Bush made mistakes" issue with you. This thread is about Obama. Bush is no longer in office and even tho you'd like to blame him for what is happening currently, you can't. I'll give you he did makes mistakes.

    Sure govt employess pay taxes. But you can't honestly being trying to convince me that the economy can survive if we take in money from govt employees and them pay it back to them and pay the down the debt this country has riding on its shoulders, can you?

    Private companies and their ability to grow and make jobs and PAY TAXES is the reason we can attempt to pay down the debt and those that work for the govt.

    President Obama evidently doesn't have a handle on this either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, thanks to Congress blocking the closing of GITMO, Obama is now just killing every supposed terrorist he can, and all the people caught in the collateral damage of the drone strikes are being retroactively labeled terrorists.
    While it is true that the administration attempted and was countered by congress it is also true that internal investigations by the justice department revealed that those the administration wanted to bring to trial also would not have stood a chance for a trial in the court system. Being disappointed in the ability to pursue charges against individuals sincerely considered terrorists by the administration was another large problem in addition to the block by congress.
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    re: Frustrated liberals want more from Obama [W:299]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While it is true that the administration attempted and was countered by congress it is also true that internal investigations by the justice department revealed that those the administration wanted to bring to trial also would not have stood a chance for a trial in the court system. Being disappointed in the ability to pursue charges against individuals sincerely considered terrorists by the administration was another large problem in addition to the block by congress.
    As In recall, this was largely due to the previous administration using torture and other methods that wouldn't hold up in court.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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